[Lab] yellow jackets and electricity
Paul & Andrea Mumby
themumbys at gmail.com
Mon Aug 29 17:30:31 EDT 2011
Yeah sorry, not thinking today lol... Still a little tired.
Thanks!
- Paul
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Richard Guy Briggs <rgb at tricolour.net>wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 04:56:03PM -0400, Paul & Andrea Mumby wrote:
> > They are diodes. You just give them constant voltage like an LED. Mind
> you
> > some need to be pulsed instead of constant.
>
> Constant current, I hope you meant? That is what the driver you've
> listed does.
>
> > Here are some ebay links:
> >
> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/LOT-5-808nm-high-power-burning-laser-diode-1-watt-/170681506053?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27bd691905
> >
> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/808nm-1000-mw-high-power-burning-laser-diode-1-watt-/180709833539?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a13253b43
> >
> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/50-808nm-1W-BLUE-DPSS-HIGH-POWER-BURNING-LASER-DIODE-/230664842498?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b4b22d02
> >
> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/50-808nm-1W-YAG-IR-DPSS-HIGH-POWER-BURNING-LASER-DIODE-/230664835850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b4b2130a
> >
> > This one is a driver:
> >
> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1-Laser-Diode-Drivers-405nm-445nm-burning-808nm-650nm-/120767948391?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1e54a667
> >
> > Also to note you need to cool these diodes with something (normally they
> get
> > mounted into an aluminum laser body, or into an aluminum heatsink to keep
> > them cool)
> >
> > They are only 1W so enough to burn paper, burn wood, or light small
> fires,
> > but to an insect I suspect it would be devastating (especially if you
> could
> > hit it with a bunch at once).
> >
> > - Paul
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I can't seem to find those lasers on ebay. Dont I need to build a power
> > > supply to drive those?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Paul & Andrea Mumby <
> themumbys at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ooh, after hearing Aaron's suggestion about a laser (in the ultrasonic
> > >> sensor thread). Why not use some cheap 1W laser diodes off ebay, make
> an
> > >> arrangement that covers the opening so they have to fly through the
> beam.
> > >> Would allow them to pass through unlike a mesh/screen and might be
> easier to
> > >> catch them with (plus will allow the dead to fall out easier since no
> > >> physical mesh there). Might need a few diodes but you can get like 50
> packs
> > >> for $20 on ebay from china lol...
> > >>
> > >> It can be your anti-wasp-laser-defense-sysem ;)
> > >>
> > >> - Paul
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I would probably swap out the batteries for a DC connection to a wall
> > >>> wart, but you may want to monitor the wall wart's temperature.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com
> >wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You mean just tape the on button and put it near the entrance? I
> wonder
> > >>>> how far that would go on one set of batteries?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Instead of a full DIY what about those $10 "tennis racket"-esque
> > >>>>> electric mosquito killers? They might not be strong enough to kill
> bees but
> > >>>>> maybe just a capacitor change would be sufficient...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com
> >wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Well the beez or going into the ceiling. So I figured putting a
> mesh
> > >>>>>> across their entrance would work. If I zap them on the way up but
> not down
> > >>>>>> then the'd just fall from there.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, mike Jans <mjans at live.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Make sure your design allows for the dead to fall down and not
> clog
> > >>>>>>> the mesh. From my experience with bees, when something gets in
> close to
> > >>>>>>> their front door, they'll investigate immediately. From the
> traffic in the
> > >>>>>>> video, that might become an issue. Perhaps make it adjustable. In
> the
> > >>>>>>> beginning, you might sacrifice some kills for smooth operation.
> Later, you
> > >>>>>>> adjust for a more thorough deathrate.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:42:24 -0400
> > >>>>>>> From: krazatchu at hotmail.com
> > >>>>>>> To: lab at artengine.ca
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lab] yellow jackets and electricity
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You don't need to detect them at all...
> > >>>>>>> Just use two parallel meshes at a distance of about 3/4 the
> length of
> > >>>>>>> a yellow jacket...
> > >>>>>>> With opposing charges on the meshes, the yellow jackets become
> the
> > >>>>>>> trigger...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This is not uncommon in Korea for mosquitoes...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> http://www.amazon.com/Koolatron-Lentek-Biteshield-RZ02-Electronic/dp/B000H7CUSQ
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> And be careful with camera flashes, they can really hurt (and
> > >>>>>>> kill)...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Michael
> > >>>>>>> http://NoMiDesign.net/
> > >>>>>>> http://krazatchu.ca/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 8/29/2011 11:31 AM, Darcy Whyte wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I don't think the Squirrels are reading my blog so we should be
> okay.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I've already got some parts on order (including a disposable
> camera
> > >>>>>>> to get a zapper out).
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I'm a little concerned about how I will detect when they are in
> > >>>>>>> contact with the mesh. Perhaps just a motion detector.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I just took some video of the little buggers:
> > >>>>>>>
> http://mambohead.com/2011/08/arduino-bug-zapper-yellow-jacket-removal/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> As you can see, they're going up a hole in the ceiling.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The chemical idea might work but can it go uphill into the
> ceiling?
> > >>>>>>> I guess I have to seal the hole after I get rid of them.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Tom Burns <
> tom.i.burns at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> An Arduino-powered stun gun is not something I would want to fall
> > >>>>>>> into the hands of a species as devious as the squirrels ;)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> If it's not high powered enough, and you're not against using
> > >>>>>>> chemicals, I dealt with a nasty bee (my fiancee is allergic)
> problem in my
> > >>>>>>> backyard using Raid "One Shot" wasp killer.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Tom
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Darcy Whyte <
> darcy at siteware.com>wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi Richard,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks for the note.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I figured keeping a coil charged might be expensive on the
> > >>>>>>> batteries. Seems the next place to go is keeping a capacitor
> charged. As I
> > >>>>>>> mentioned in the blog post, a disposable camera may have enough
> hardware to
> > >>>>>>> do this. May not be as high a voltage but it might work.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> So it just comes down to triggering the high voltage thing.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I'm all ears on how to trigger it but I figured I could just use
> an
> > >>>>>>> arduino because the labor content may be lower. There might be
> something
> > >>>>>>> that can save some pennies but I think for the pain a community
> of yellow
> > >>>>>>> jackets causes, it's okay if it uses an arduino for a couple
> days.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Even if the Squirrels steal it.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Darcy
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Richard Guy Briggs <
> > >>>>>>> rgb at tricolour.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:32:19PM -0700, Darcy Whyte wrote:
> > >>>>>>> > What about this angle:
> > >>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>> > A motion detector of some sort.
> > >>>>>>> > a coil
> > >>>>>>> > a relay
> > >>>>>>> > a 6v battery
> > >>>>>>> > a wire grid over the opening
> > >>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>> > When a yellow jacket is detected we charge the coil and then
> let it
> > >>>>>>> > discharge through the grid.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think the idea is to keep it charged so that it does its work
> on
> > >>>>>>> contact.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> > The relay is to isolate an arduino from the coil charging
> action...
> > >>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>> > What sort of coil would I need?
> > >>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>> > If this will work at all....
> > >>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>> > Also, what about detecting the bug when it touches the grid? I
> > >>>>>>> suppose the
> > >>>>>>> > problem with that is I'd need to isolate it from the arduino
> > >>>>>>> somehow since
> > >>>>>>> > the high voltage will zap the arduino too....
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Does it really need an arduino, or just a wired power supply and
> a
> > >>>>>>> way
> > >>>>>>> of forcing all entering and exiting wasps of touching the charged
> > >>>>>>> wires?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Darcy Whyte <
> darcy at siteware.com>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> > > Perhaps this can be DIYed:
> > >>>>>>> > > http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page1421.html
> > >>>>>>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > > I could then just hang the thing near the hole and place some
> > >>>>>>> electrodes
> > >>>>>>> > > right there.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I've seen one of those at a friend's cottage. It is only $10,
> so it
> > >>>>>>> might be worth just buying one to find out how it works and adapt
> it
> > >>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>> automatic use with your wasp nest. We had one in the floor of
> our
> > >>>>>>> balcony. It was a nuisance...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might want to adapt it with very fine wires brushing around
> the
> > >>>>>>> hole
> > >>>>>>> (but if the wire is too fine, it might fuse instead of delivering
> the
> > >>>>>>> intended shock to an insect...)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> > > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Darcy Whyte <
> > >>>>>>> darcy at siteware.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> > >> Let's say I have a nasty yellow jacket nest that's starting
> to
> > >>>>>>> cause
> > >>>>>>> > >> problems.
> > >>>>>>> > >>
> > >>>>>>> > >> I've dealt with these in the past when the next is very
> exposed
> > >>>>>>> but this
> > >>>>>>> > >> time I only have access to an opening about an inch where
> they
> > >>>>>>> are coming
> > >>>>>>> > >> and going.
> > >>>>>>> > >>
> > >>>>>>> > >> Has anybody ever tried to put some sort of zapper near an
> > >>>>>>> entrance? Seems
> > >>>>>>> > >> that should be an easy way to get them.
> > >>>>>>> > >>
> > >>>>>>> > >> A trap seems to take long because they only go into it once
> in a
> > >>>>>>> while so
> > >>>>>>> > >> it takes a long while.
> > >>>>>>> > >>
> > >>>>>>> > >> I figure if I put a couple of electrodes near the hole, they
> > >>>>>>> could
> > >>>>>>> > >> complete the gap.
> > >>>>>>> > >>
> > >>>>>>> > >> If this would work, I wonder how many bugs a couple of
> D-cells
> > >>>>>>> could zap?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> slainte mhath, RGB
> > >>>>>>>
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