[Lab] yellow jackets and electricity

Paul & Andrea Mumby themumbys at gmail.com
Mon Aug 29 14:04:42 EDT 2011 

Ooh, after hearing Aaron's suggestion about a laser (in the ultrasonic
sensor thread). Why not use some cheap 1W laser diodes off ebay, make an
arrangement that covers the opening so they have to fly through the beam.
Would allow them to pass through unlike a mesh/screen and might be easier to
catch them with (plus will allow the dead to fall out easier since no
physical mesh there). Might need a few diodes but you can get like 50 packs
for $20 on ebay from china lol...

It can be your anti-wasp-laser-defense-sysem ;)

- Paul

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would probably swap out the batteries for a DC connection to a wall wart,
> but you may want to monitor the wall wart's temperature.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> You mean just tape the on button and put it near the entrance? I wonder
>> how far that would go on one set of batteries?
>>
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>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Instead of a full DIY what about those $10 "tennis racket"-esque electric
>>> mosquito killers?  They might not be strong enough to kill bees but maybe
>>> just a capacitor change would be sufficient...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well the beez or going into the ceiling. So I figured putting a mesh
>>>> across their entrance would work. If I zap them on the way up but not down
>>>> then the'd just fall from there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, mike Jans <mjans at live.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Make sure your design allows for the dead to fall down and not clog
>>>>> the mesh. From my experience with bees, when something gets in close to
>>>>> their front door, they'll investigate immediately. From the traffic in the
>>>>> video, that might become an issue. Perhaps make it adjustable. In the
>>>>> beginning, you might sacrifice some kills for smooth operation. Later, you
>>>>> adjust for a more thorough deathrate.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:42:24 -0400
>>>>> From: krazatchu at hotmail.com
>>>>> To: lab at artengine.ca
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lab] yellow jackets and electricity
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't need to detect them at all...
>>>>> Just use two parallel meshes at a distance of about 3/4 the length of a
>>>>> yellow jacket...
>>>>> With opposing charges on the meshes, the yellow jackets become the
>>>>> trigger...
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not uncommon in Korea for mosquitoes...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Koolatron-Lentek-Biteshield-RZ02-Electronic/dp/B000H7CUSQ
>>>>>
>>>>> And be careful with camera flashes, they can really hurt (and kill)...
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>> http://NoMiDesign.net/
>>>>> http://krazatchu.ca/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/29/2011 11:31 AM, Darcy Whyte wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think the Squirrels are reading my blog so we should be okay.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I've already got some parts on order (including a disposable camera
>>>>> to get a zapper out).
>>>>>
>>>>>  I'm a little concerned about how I will detect when they are in
>>>>> contact with the mesh. Perhaps just a motion detector.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I just took some video of the little buggers:
>>>>> http://mambohead.com/2011/08/arduino-bug-zapper-yellow-jacket-removal/
>>>>>
>>>>>  As you can see, they're going up a hole in the ceiling.
>>>>>
>>>>>  The chemical idea might work but can it go uphill into the ceiling? I
>>>>> guess I have to seal the hole after I get rid of them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> An Arduino-powered stun gun is not something I would want to fall into
>>>>> the hands of a species as devious as the squirrels ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>  If it's not high powered enough, and you're not against using
>>>>> chemicals, I dealt with a nasty bee (my fiancee is allergic) problem in my
>>>>> backyard using Raid "One Shot" wasp killer.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Richard,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thanks for the note.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I figured keeping a coil charged might be expensive on the batteries.
>>>>> Seems the next place to go is keeping a capacitor charged. As I mentioned in
>>>>> the blog post, a disposable camera may have enough hardware to do this. May
>>>>> not be as high a voltage but it might work.
>>>>>
>>>>>  So it just comes down to triggering the high voltage thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I'm all ears on how to trigger it but I figured I could just use an
>>>>> arduino because the labor content may be lower. There might be something
>>>>> that can save some pennies but I think for the pain a community of yellow
>>>>> jackets causes, it's okay if it uses an arduino for a couple days.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Even if the Squirrels steal it.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Darcy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Richard Guy Briggs <rgb at tricolour.net
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:32:19PM -0700, Darcy Whyte wrote:
>>>>> > What about this angle:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > A motion detector of some sort.
>>>>> > a coil
>>>>> > a relay
>>>>> > a 6v battery
>>>>> > a wire grid over the opening
>>>>> >
>>>>> > When a yellow jacket is detected we charge the coil and then let it
>>>>> > discharge through the grid.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I think the idea is to keep it charged so that it does its work on
>>>>> contact.
>>>>>
>>>>> > The relay is to isolate an arduino from the coil charging action...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > What sort of coil would I need?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If this will work at all....
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Also, what about detecting the bug when it touches the grid? I
>>>>> suppose the
>>>>> > problem with that is I'd need to isolate it from the arduino somehow
>>>>> since
>>>>> > the high voltage will zap the arduino too....
>>>>>
>>>>>  Does it really need an arduino, or just a wired power supply and a way
>>>>> of forcing all entering and exiting wasps of touching the charged
>>>>> wires?
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > > Perhaps this can be DIYed:
>>>>> > > http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page1421.html
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I could then just hang the thing near the hole and place some
>>>>> electrodes
>>>>> > > right there.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I've seen one of those at a friend's cottage.  It is only $10, so it
>>>>> might be worth just buying one to find out how it works and adapt it
>>>>> for
>>>>> automatic use with your wasp nest.  We had one in the floor of our
>>>>> balcony.  It was a nuisance...
>>>>>
>>>>> You might want to adapt it with very fine wires brushing around the
>>>>> hole
>>>>> (but if the wire is too fine, it might fuse instead of delivering the
>>>>> intended shock to an insect...)
>>>>>
>>>>> > > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > >> Let's say I have a nasty yellow jacket nest that's starting to
>>>>> cause
>>>>> > >> problems.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> I've dealt with these in the past when the next is very exposed
>>>>> but this
>>>>> > >> time I only have access to an opening about an inch where they are
>>>>> coming
>>>>> > >> and going.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Has anybody ever tried to put some sort of zapper near an
>>>>> entrance? Seems
>>>>> > >> that should be an easy way to get them.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> A trap seems to take long because they only go into it once in a
>>>>> while so
>>>>> > >> it takes a long while.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> I figure if I put a couple of electrodes near the hole, they could
>>>>> > >> complete the gap.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> If this would work, I wonder how many bugs a couple of D-cells
>>>>> could zap?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         slainte mhath, RGB
>>>>>
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