[Lab] yellow jackets and electricity

Darcy Whyte darcy at siteware.com
Mon Aug 29 14:17:55 EDT 2011 

I can't seem to find those lasers on ebay. Dont I need to build a power
supply to drive those?


On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Paul & Andrea Mumby <themumbys at gmail.com>wrote:

> Ooh, after hearing Aaron's suggestion about a laser (in the ultrasonic
> sensor thread). Why not use some cheap 1W laser diodes off ebay, make an
> arrangement that covers the opening so they have to fly through the beam.
> Would allow them to pass through unlike a mesh/screen and might be easier to
> catch them with (plus will allow the dead to fall out easier since no
> physical mesh there). Might need a few diodes but you can get like 50 packs
> for $20 on ebay from china lol...
>
> It can be your anti-wasp-laser-defense-sysem ;)
>
> - Paul
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would probably swap out the batteries for a DC connection to a wall
>> wart, but you may want to monitor the wall wart's temperature.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You mean just tape the on button and put it near the entrance? I wonder
>>> how far that would go on one set of batteries?
>>>
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>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Instead of a full DIY what about those $10 "tennis racket"-esque
>>>> electric mosquito killers?  They might not be strong enough to kill bees but
>>>> maybe just a capacitor change would be sufficient...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well the beez or going into the ceiling. So I figured putting a mesh
>>>>> across their entrance would work. If I zap them on the way up but not down
>>>>> then the'd just fall from there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, mike Jans <mjans at live.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Make sure your design allows for the dead to fall down and not clog
>>>>>> the mesh. From my experience with bees, when something gets in close to
>>>>>> their front door, they'll investigate immediately. From the traffic in the
>>>>>> video, that might become an issue. Perhaps make it adjustable. In the
>>>>>> beginning, you might sacrifice some kills for smooth operation. Later, you
>>>>>> adjust for a more thorough deathrate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:42:24 -0400
>>>>>> From: krazatchu at hotmail.com
>>>>>> To: lab at artengine.ca
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lab] yellow jackets and electricity
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need to detect them at all...
>>>>>> Just use two parallel meshes at a distance of about 3/4 the length of
>>>>>> a yellow jacket...
>>>>>> With opposing charges on the meshes, the yellow jackets become the
>>>>>> trigger...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not uncommon in Korea for mosquitoes...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Koolatron-Lentek-Biteshield-RZ02-Electronic/dp/B000H7CUSQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And be careful with camera flashes, they can really hurt (and kill)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>> http://NoMiDesign.net/
>>>>>> http://krazatchu.ca/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/29/2011 11:31 AM, Darcy Whyte wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think the Squirrels are reading my blog so we should be okay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I've already got some parts on order (including a disposable camera
>>>>>> to get a zapper out).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'm a little concerned about how I will detect when they are in
>>>>>> contact with the mesh. Perhaps just a motion detector.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I just took some video of the little buggers:
>>>>>> http://mambohead.com/2011/08/arduino-bug-zapper-yellow-jacket-removal/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  As you can see, they're going up a hole in the ceiling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The chemical idea might work but can it go uphill into the ceiling?
>>>>>> I guess I have to seal the hole after I get rid of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An Arduino-powered stun gun is not something I would want to fall into
>>>>>> the hands of a species as devious as the squirrels ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  If it's not high powered enough, and you're not against using
>>>>>> chemicals, I dealt with a nasty bee (my fiancee is allergic) problem in my
>>>>>> backyard using Raid "One Shot" wasp killer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi Richard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Thanks for the note.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I figured keeping a coil charged might be expensive on the
>>>>>> batteries. Seems the next place to go is keeping a capacitor charged. As I
>>>>>> mentioned in the blog post, a disposable camera may have enough hardware to
>>>>>> do this. May not be as high a voltage but it might work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  So it just comes down to triggering the high voltage thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'm all ears on how to trigger it but I figured I could just use an
>>>>>> arduino because the labor content may be lower. There might be something
>>>>>> that can save some pennies but I think for the pain a community of yellow
>>>>>> jackets causes, it's okay if it uses an arduino for a couple days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Even if the Squirrels steal it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Darcy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Richard Guy Briggs <
>>>>>> rgb at tricolour.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:32:19PM -0700, Darcy Whyte wrote:
>>>>>> > What about this angle:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > A motion detector of some sort.
>>>>>> > a coil
>>>>>> > a relay
>>>>>> > a 6v battery
>>>>>> > a wire grid over the opening
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > When a yellow jacket is detected we charge the coil and then let it
>>>>>> > discharge through the grid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I think the idea is to keep it charged so that it does its work on
>>>>>> contact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > The relay is to isolate an arduino from the coil charging action...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > What sort of coil would I need?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If this will work at all....
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Also, what about detecting the bug when it touches the grid? I
>>>>>> suppose the
>>>>>> > problem with that is I'd need to isolate it from the arduino somehow
>>>>>> since
>>>>>> > the high voltage will zap the arduino too....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Does it really need an arduino, or just a wired power supply and a
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> of forcing all entering and exiting wasps of touching the charged
>>>>>> wires?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > > Perhaps this can be DIYed:
>>>>>> > > http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page1421.html
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > I could then just hang the thing near the hole and place some
>>>>>> electrodes
>>>>>> > > right there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I've seen one of those at a friend's cottage.  It is only $10, so it
>>>>>> might be worth just buying one to find out how it works and adapt it
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> automatic use with your wasp nest.  We had one in the floor of our
>>>>>> balcony.  It was a nuisance...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might want to adapt it with very fine wires brushing around the
>>>>>> hole
>>>>>> (but if the wire is too fine, it might fuse instead of delivering the
>>>>>> intended shock to an insect...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > >> Let's say I have a nasty yellow jacket nest that's starting to
>>>>>> cause
>>>>>> > >> problems.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> I've dealt with these in the past when the next is very exposed
>>>>>> but this
>>>>>> > >> time I only have access to an opening about an inch where they
>>>>>> are coming
>>>>>> > >> and going.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> Has anybody ever tried to put some sort of zapper near an
>>>>>> entrance? Seems
>>>>>> > >> that should be an easy way to get them.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> A trap seems to take long because they only go into it once in a
>>>>>> while so
>>>>>> > >> it takes a long while.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> I figure if I put a couple of electrodes near the hole, they
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> > >> complete the gap.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> If this would work, I wonder how many bugs a couple of D-cells
>>>>>> could zap?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         slainte mhath, RGB
>>>>>>
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