[Lab] yellow jackets and electricity

Tom Burns tom.i.burns at gmail.com
Mon Aug 29 12:10:32 EDT 2011 

I would probably swap out the batteries for a DC connection to a wall wart,
but you may want to monitor the wall wart's temperature.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com> wrote:

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> You mean just tape the on button and put it near the entrance? I wonder how
> far that would go on one set of batteries?
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> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Instead of a full DIY what about those $10 "tennis racket"-esque electric
>> mosquito killers?  They might not be strong enough to kill bees but maybe
>> just a capacitor change would be sufficient...
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>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com> wrote:
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>>> Well the beez or going into the ceiling. So I figured putting a mesh
>>> across their entrance would work. If I zap them on the way up but not down
>>> then the'd just fall from there.
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>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, mike Jans <mjans at live.com> wrote:
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>>>>  Make sure your design allows for the dead to fall down and not clog
>>>> the mesh. From my experience with bees, when something gets in close to
>>>> their front door, they'll investigate immediately. From the traffic in the
>>>> video, that might become an issue. Perhaps make it adjustable. In the
>>>> beginning, you might sacrifice some kills for smooth operation. Later, you
>>>> adjust for a more thorough deathrate.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:42:24 -0400
>>>> From: krazatchu at hotmail.com
>>>> To: lab at artengine.ca
>>>> Subject: Re: [Lab] yellow jackets and electricity
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> You don't need to detect them at all...
>>>> Just use two parallel meshes at a distance of about 3/4 the length of a
>>>> yellow jacket...
>>>> With opposing charges on the meshes, the yellow jackets become the
>>>> trigger...
>>>>
>>>> This is not uncommon in Korea for mosquitoes...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Koolatron-Lentek-Biteshield-RZ02-Electronic/dp/B000H7CUSQ
>>>>
>>>> And be careful with camera flashes, they can really hurt (and kill)...
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>> http://NoMiDesign.net/
>>>> http://krazatchu.ca/
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>>>> On 8/29/2011 11:31 AM, Darcy Whyte wrote:
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>>>> I don't think the Squirrels are reading my blog so we should be okay.
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>>>>  I've already got some parts on order (including a disposable camera to
>>>> get a zapper out).
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>>>>  I'm a little concerned about how I will detect when they are in
>>>> contact with the mesh. Perhaps just a motion detector.
>>>>
>>>>  I just took some video of the little buggers:
>>>> http://mambohead.com/2011/08/arduino-bug-zapper-yellow-jacket-removal/
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>>>>  As you can see, they're going up a hole in the ceiling.
>>>>
>>>>  The chemical idea might work but can it go uphill into the ceiling? I
>>>> guess I have to seal the hole after I get rid of them.
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>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> An Arduino-powered stun gun is not something I would want to fall into
>>>> the hands of a species as devious as the squirrels ;)
>>>>
>>>>  If it's not high powered enough, and you're not against using
>>>> chemicals, I dealt with a nasty bee (my fiancee is allergic) problem in my
>>>> backyard using Raid "One Shot" wasp killer.
>>>>
>>>>  Tom
>>>>
>>>>  On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi Richard,
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks for the note.
>>>>
>>>>  I figured keeping a coil charged might be expensive on the batteries.
>>>> Seems the next place to go is keeping a capacitor charged. As I mentioned in
>>>> the blog post, a disposable camera may have enough hardware to do this. May
>>>> not be as high a voltage but it might work.
>>>>
>>>>  So it just comes down to triggering the high voltage thing.
>>>>
>>>>  I'm all ears on how to trigger it but I figured I could just use an
>>>> arduino because the labor content may be lower. There might be something
>>>> that can save some pennies but I think for the pain a community of yellow
>>>> jackets causes, it's okay if it uses an arduino for a couple days.
>>>>
>>>>  Even if the Squirrels steal it.
>>>>
>>>>  Darcy
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>>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Richard Guy Briggs <rgb at tricolour.net>wrote:
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>>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:32:19PM -0700, Darcy Whyte wrote:
>>>> > What about this angle:
>>>> >
>>>> > A motion detector of some sort.
>>>> > a coil
>>>> > a relay
>>>> > a 6v battery
>>>> > a wire grid over the opening
>>>> >
>>>> > When a yellow jacket is detected we charge the coil and then let it
>>>> > discharge through the grid.
>>>>
>>>>  I think the idea is to keep it charged so that it does its work on
>>>> contact.
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>>>> > The relay is to isolate an arduino from the coil charging action...
>>>> >
>>>> > What sort of coil would I need?
>>>> >
>>>> > If this will work at all....
>>>> >
>>>> > Also, what about detecting the bug when it touches the grid? I suppose
>>>> the
>>>> > problem with that is I'd need to isolate it from the arduino somehow
>>>> since
>>>> > the high voltage will zap the arduino too....
>>>>
>>>>  Does it really need an arduino, or just a wired power supply and a way
>>>> of forcing all entering and exiting wasps of touching the charged wires?
>>>>
>>>> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > Perhaps this can be DIYed:
>>>> > > http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page1421.html
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I could then just hang the thing near the hole and place some
>>>> electrodes
>>>> > > right there.
>>>>
>>>>  I've seen one of those at a friend's cottage.  It is only $10, so it
>>>> might be worth just buying one to find out how it works and adapt it for
>>>> automatic use with your wasp nest.  We had one in the floor of our
>>>> balcony.  It was a nuisance...
>>>>
>>>> You might want to adapt it with very fine wires brushing around the hole
>>>> (but if the wire is too fine, it might fuse instead of delivering the
>>>> intended shock to an insect...)
>>>>
>>>> > > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > >> Let's say I have a nasty yellow jacket nest that's starting to
>>>> cause
>>>> > >> problems.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> I've dealt with these in the past when the next is very exposed but
>>>> this
>>>> > >> time I only have access to an opening about an inch where they are
>>>> coming
>>>> > >> and going.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Has anybody ever tried to put some sort of zapper near an entrance?
>>>> Seems
>>>> > >> that should be an easy way to get them.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> A trap seems to take long because they only go into it once in a
>>>> while so
>>>> > >> it takes a long while.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> I figure if I put a couple of electrodes near the hole, they could
>>>> > >> complete the gap.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> If this would work, I wonder how many bugs a couple of D-cells
>>>> could zap?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         slainte mhath, RGB
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