[Lab] yellow jackets and electricity

Mon Aug 29 12:05:43 EDT 2011

You mean just tape the on button and put it near the entrance? I wonder how
far that would go on one set of batteries?

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Instead of a full DIY what about those $10 "tennis racket"-esque electric
> mosquito killers?  They might not be strong enough to kill bees but maybe
> just a capacitor change would be sufficient...
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com> wrote:
>
>> Well the beez or going into the ceiling. So I figured putting a mesh
>> across their entrance would work. If I zap them on the way up but not down
>> then the'd just fall from there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, mike Jans <mjans at live.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Make sure your design allows for the dead to fall down and not clog the
>>> mesh. From my experience with bees, when something gets in close to their
>>> front door, they'll investigate immediately. From the traffic in the video,
>>> that might become an issue. Perhaps make it adjustable. In the beginning,
>>> you might sacrifice some kills for smooth operation. Later, you adjust for a
>>> more thorough deathrate.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:42:24 -0400
>>> From: krazatchu at hotmail.com
>>> To: lab at artengine.ca
>>> Subject: Re: [Lab] yellow jackets and electricity
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You don't need to detect them at all...
>>> Just use two parallel meshes at a distance of about 3/4 the length of a
>>> yellow jacket...
>>> With opposing charges on the meshes, the yellow jackets become the
>>> trigger...
>>>
>>> This is not uncommon in Korea for mosquitoes...
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Koolatron-Lentek-Biteshield-RZ02-Electronic/dp/B000H7CUSQ
>>>
>>> And be careful with camera flashes, they can really hurt (and kill)...
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> http://NoMiDesign.net/
>>> http://krazatchu.ca/
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/29/2011 11:31 AM, Darcy Whyte wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think the Squirrels are reading my blog so we should be okay.
>>>
>>>  I've already got some parts on order (including a disposable camera to
>>> get a zapper out).
>>>
>>>  I'm a little concerned about how I will detect when they are in contact
>>> with the mesh. Perhaps just a motion detector.
>>>
>>>  I just took some video of the little buggers:
>>> http://mambohead.com/2011/08/arduino-bug-zapper-yellow-jacket-removal/
>>>
>>>  As you can see, they're going up a hole in the ceiling.
>>>
>>>  The chemical idea might work but can it go uphill into the ceiling? I
>>> guess I have to seal the hole after I get rid of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> An Arduino-powered stun gun is not something I would want to fall into
>>> the hands of a species as devious as the squirrels ;)
>>>
>>>  If it's not high powered enough, and you're not against using
>>> chemicals, I dealt with a nasty bee (my fiancee is allergic) problem in my
>>> backyard using Raid "One Shot" wasp killer.
>>>
>>>  Tom
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Richard,
>>>
>>>  Thanks for the note.
>>>
>>>  I figured keeping a coil charged might be expensive on the batteries.
>>> Seems the next place to go is keeping a capacitor charged. As I mentioned in
>>> the blog post, a disposable camera may have enough hardware to do this. May
>>> not be as high a voltage but it might work.
>>>
>>>  So it just comes down to triggering the high voltage thing.
>>>
>>>  I'm all ears on how to trigger it but I figured I could just use an
>>> arduino because the labor content may be lower. There might be something
>>> that can save some pennies but I think for the pain a community of yellow
>>> jackets causes, it's okay if it uses an arduino for a couple days.
>>>
>>>  Even if the Squirrels steal it.
>>>
>>>  Darcy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Richard Guy Briggs <rgb at tricolour.net>wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:32:19PM -0700, Darcy Whyte wrote:
>>> > What about this angle:
>>> >
>>> > A motion detector of some sort.
>>> > a coil
>>> > a relay
>>> > a 6v battery
>>> > a wire grid over the opening
>>> >
>>> > When a yellow jacket is detected we charge the coil and then let it
>>> > discharge through the grid.
>>>
>>>  I think the idea is to keep it charged so that it does its work on
>>> contact.
>>>
>>> > The relay is to isolate an arduino from the coil charging action...
>>> >
>>> > What sort of coil would I need?
>>> >
>>> > If this will work at all....
>>> >
>>> > Also, what about detecting the bug when it touches the grid? I suppose
>>> the
>>> > problem with that is I'd need to isolate it from the arduino somehow
>>> since
>>> > the high voltage will zap the arduino too....
>>>
>>>  Does it really need an arduino, or just a wired power supply and a way
>>> of forcing all entering and exiting wasps of touching the charged wires?
>>>
>>> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > > Perhaps this can be DIYed:
>>> > > http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page1421.html
>>> > >
>>> > > I could then just hang the thing near the hole and place some
>>> electrodes
>>> > > right there.
>>>
>>>  I've seen one of those at a friend's cottage.  It is only $10, so it
>>> might be worth just buying one to find out how it works and adapt it for
>>> automatic use with your wasp nest.  We had one in the floor of our
>>> balcony.  It was a nuisance...
>>>
>>> You might want to adapt it with very fine wires brushing around the hole
>>> (but if the wire is too fine, it might fuse instead of delivering the
>>> intended shock to an insect...)
>>>
>>> > > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >> Let's say I have a nasty yellow jacket nest that's starting to cause
>>> > >> problems.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I've dealt with these in the past when the next is very exposed but
>>> this
>>> > >> time I only have access to an opening about an inch where they are
>>> coming
>>> > >> and going.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Has anybody ever tried to put some sort of zapper near an entrance?
>>> Seems
>>> > >> that should be an easy way to get them.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> A trap seems to take long because they only go into it once in a
>>> while so
>>> > >> it takes a long while.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I figure if I put a couple of electrodes near the hole, they could
>>> > >> complete the gap.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> If this would work, I wonder how many bugs a couple of D-cells could
>>> zap?
>>>
>>>
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