[Lab] yellow jackets and electricity
mike Jans
mjans at live.com
Mon Aug 29 12:01:58 EDT 2011
Darcy: That would stop traffic, but you'd still have all the eggs they've laid up there waiting waiting until spring to hatch. Why not wait until they go dormant and then pull them out from the inside?
From: tom.i.burns at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:00:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [Lab] yellow jackets and electricity
To: darcy at siteware.com
CC: mjans at live.com; lab at artengine.ca
Instead of a full DIY what about those $10 "tennis racket"-esque electric mosquito killers? They might not be strong enough to kill bees but maybe just a capacitor change would be sufficient...
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com> wrote:
Well the beez or going into the ceiling. So I figured putting a mesh across their entrance would work. If I zap them on the way up but not down then the'd just fall from there.
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, mike Jans <mjans at live.com> wrote:
Make sure your design allows for the dead to fall down and not clog the mesh. From my experience with bees, when something gets in close to their front door, they'll investigate immediately. From the traffic in the video, that might become an issue. Perhaps make it adjustable. In the beginning, you might sacrifice some kills for smooth operation. Later, you adjust for a more thorough deathrate.
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:42:24 -0400
From: krazatchu at hotmail.com
To: lab at artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [Lab] yellow jackets and electricity
You don't need to detect them at all...
Just use two parallel meshes at a distance of about 3/4 the length
of a yellow jacket...
With opposing charges on the meshes, the yellow jackets become the
trigger...
This is not uncommon in Korea for mosquitoes...
http://www.amazon.com/Koolatron-Lentek-Biteshield-RZ02-Electronic/dp/B000H7CUSQ
And be careful with camera flashes, they can really hurt (and
kill)...
Michael
http://NoMiDesign.net/
http://krazatchu.ca/
On 8/29/2011 11:31 AM, Darcy Whyte wrote:
I don't think the Squirrels are reading my blog so we
should be okay.
I've already got some parts on order (including a disposable
camera to get a zapper out).
I'm a little concerned about how I will detect when they are
in contact with the mesh. Perhaps just a motion detector.
I just took some video of the little buggers: http://mambohead.com/2011/08/arduino-bug-zapper-yellow-jacket-removal/
As you can see, they're going up a hole in the
ceiling.
The chemical idea might work but can it go uphill into
the ceiling? I guess I have to seal the hole after I get
rid of them.
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Tom
Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com>
wrote:
An Arduino-powered stun gun is not something I would want to
fall into the hands of a species as devious as the squirrels
;)
If it's not high powered enough, and you're not against
using chemicals, I dealt with a nasty bee (my fiancee is
allergic) problem in my backyard using Raid "One Shot"
wasp killer.
Tom
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>
wrote:
Hi Richard,
Thanks for the note.
I figured keeping a coil charged might be
expensive on the batteries. Seems the next
place to go is keeping a capacitor charged.
As I mentioned in the blog post, a
disposable camera may have enough hardware
to do this. May not be as high a voltage but
it might work.
So it just comes down to triggering the
high voltage thing.
I'm all ears on how to trigger it but I
figured I could just use an arduino because
the labor content may be lower. There might
be something that can save some pennies but
I think for the pain a community of yellow
jackets causes, it's okay if it uses an
arduino for a couple days.
Even if the Squirrels steal it.
Darcy
On Sat, Aug 27,
2011 at 8:59 PM, Richard Guy Briggs <rgb at tricolour.net>
wrote:
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:32:19PM
-0700, Darcy Whyte wrote:
> What about this angle:
>
> A motion detector of some sort.
> a coil
> a relay
> a 6v battery
> a wire grid over the opening
>
> When a yellow jacket is detected
we charge the coil and then let it
> discharge through the grid.
I think the idea is to keep it charged
so that it does its work on
contact.
> The relay is to isolate an
arduino from the coil charging
action...
>
> What sort of coil would I need?
>
> If this will work at all....
>
> Also, what about detecting the
bug when it touches the grid? I
suppose the
> problem with that is I'd need to
isolate it from the arduino somehow
since
> the high voltage will zap the
arduino too....
Does it really need an arduino, or just
a wired power supply and a way
of forcing all entering and exiting
wasps of touching the charged wires?
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:58 PM,
Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>
wrote:
> > Perhaps this can be DIYed:
> > http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page1421.html
> >
> > I could then just hang the
thing near the hole and place some
electrodes
> > right there.
I've seen one of those at a friend's
cottage. It is only $10, so it
might be worth just buying one to find
out how it works and adapt it for
automatic use with your wasp nest. We
had one in the floor of our
balcony. It was a nuisance...
You might want to adapt it with very
fine wires brushing around the hole
(but if the wire is too fine, it might
fuse instead of delivering the
intended shock to an insect...)
> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at
12:54 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at siteware.com>
wrote:
> >> Let's say I have a nasty
yellow jacket nest that's starting to
cause
> >> problems.
> >>
> >> I've dealt with these in
the past when the next is very exposed
but this
> >> time I only have access
to an opening about an inch where they
are coming
> >> and going.
> >>
> >> Has anybody ever tried
to put some sort of zapper near an
entrance? Seems
> >> that should be an easy
way to get them.
> >>
> >> A trap seems to take
long because they only go into it once
in a while so
> >> it takes a long while.
> >>
> >> I figure if I put a
couple of electrodes near the hole,
they could
> >> complete the gap.
> >>
> >> If this would work, I
wonder how many bugs a couple of
D-cells could zap?
slainte mhath, RGB
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