Intro

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starting events there we go hello

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test test everyone can hear us feel free to let us know in the chat I

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know you do not need art supplies [Music]

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although you could be making art if you like okay well welcome everyone welcome to

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another AGA live event I’m your host armsan and I am head of education and

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learning here at the Art Gallery of Alberta um I am joined by olga Paju who

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is a registered Canadian art therapist and certified counselor currently living in Edmonton um

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Olga I have known each other for about four years and I am thrilled thrilled

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with an opportunity to investigate and share with a broader audience some of our ongoing conversations so creative

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health and education having received her master’s degree at Concordia University

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in Montreal algún was immersed in community open art studios also known as

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art hives the practice is focused on working with children youth and community here in Edmonton Olga has

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worked with Evanson public schools and then most recently has moved into private practice welcome Olga thank you

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for agreeing to to tell me today thanks so much for having me Dhara this is incredible I’m so happy to be here great

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so today our topic encompasses the toll that the recent public health crisis is

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having on our mental health how creative has art and creative practices support

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our individual well-being and finally the role that it plays in boosting

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healthy communities delve into that specifically I wonder

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Olga if you can jump in and maybe give us an overview of what our therapy is

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for sure so our therapy is a clinical practice that combines psychotherapy so

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talk therapy um as a lot of people know it and a process so an art therapist has

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specialized training in the field and a lot of our offices kind of look

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more like art studios than they do like the traditional couch and chair type

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scenario that were used to seeing and there’s they’re full of art materials all kinds of

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you know paints and markers pencil crayons papers everything from clay to

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things that you can make structures into and clients kind of have free rein of what

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they would like to use in their session so by engaging in the creative process this allows clients of all ages and all

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abilities to process their experiences and gain insights as well as meeting their therapeutic goals and that’s what

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they’re working on with the support of the art therapists so art therapy could

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help regulate emotions process big life experiences gain insight into what might

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be going on for an individual could help boost self-esteem learn new

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skills among many other things and you don’t need to have any kind of art experience or training to see an art

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therapist it’s just about the way that you want to express yourself and

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what makes sense to you amazing can you share with us what got

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you interested in art therapy yeah so I’ve always been fascinated in humans and why we do what we do and then

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I was also really interested in art making and the secret process of how

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that has healing properties in and of itself my journey started actually in third

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year of my undergraduate degree were my painting professor looked at me and said you know there’s a thing called art

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therapy because he knew I was so interested in psychology and art and I looked back at him and so was like

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really he’s like yeah I have a friend who’s in our therapist she doesn’t have

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a job working as an art therapist but I’m sure you could figure it out and Here I am

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over a decade later it’s really good it’s amazing how many

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of the conversations happen in studios right absolutely yeah how do we you know where do we

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choose or how do we choose those things right but it always I feel like starts with a conversation like I certainly

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that’s that that happened to me when a friend of mine was like you should be a t-shirt and I was like really but I’m an

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artist and then you know Here I am cheer you’re amazing so I really appreciate that that

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sort of does that story can you talk a little bit about what the connection between art and mental health

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is and what that means to you for sure so I mean mental health is a

Art and mental health

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state that includes psychological and emotional well-being and that can look

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differently in different people and then I think that you know we also refer to

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it as like mental wellness and it’s a health like these terms are kind of interchangeable and wellness to me really means a state

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of like equilibrium where all of your needs are met and you feel like you’re thriving in life that could include

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social supports the environment that you’re in that has a huge impact in how we feel

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I’m really in humans have been making marks for thousands of years I like to

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say that you know since dinosaurs dinosaurs roamed we were making marks

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and drawing pictures of our experiences and caves and we know that we feel good when we’re

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making art even watching somebody else make art or looking at art can make us

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feel at ease more calm and it can increase our mood

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stabilize our emotions and shift even our physiological state so you might if

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you’re checking in with yourself you might notice that you’re feeling you know overwhelmed or stressed or nervous

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and then you start coloring or even doodling on the side of a page it can it

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can shift the way that your body is responding to to whatever’s going on for you so art making can be therapeutic and

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then when facilitated by a trained art therapist it can also help us overcome a lot of life challenges

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okay so one of the questions that I have is given our current

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state of affairs how do you think that the cobia nineteen

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pandemic is affecting our mental health right now

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well it sure feels like it turned everything upside down so we went into 2020 thinking that we

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had all of these upcoming events milestones maybe even our regular daily

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routines that we kind of like anticipated and expect it to be a certain way and this pandemic has

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absolutely flipped everything around it’s there’s yeah definitely a feeling

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of you know more anxiety more stress maybe feeling

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like like you’re you’re a bit shaky your foundation isn’t so solid anymore

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especially because we don’t really know what the future holds or what is going

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to happen in the long run or when this is going to end so a lot of those unknowns can really spark a lot of

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anxiety in us maybe feeling like we don’t have control

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worrying more additional stressors from you know maybe

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unemployment or the fear of losing your job staying at home with kids full time

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while trying to juggle other responsibilities could have a lot of really negative impacts on our lives

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general recommendations might you make for people that are currently social distancing maybe have some additional

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worry are you know just trying to kind of navigate this really extraordinary

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circumstance yeah I mean

Coping with the pandemic

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despite how difficult this time has been I’m also blown away at how resourceful

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and creative humans are so hearing stories of

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birthday parties being celebrated from sidewalks in front of somebody’s house or

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reconnecting with long-lost friends that maybe you hadn’t spoken to in months or years and now using virtual platforms to

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do so yeah even walking around in our

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neighborhood and seeing so many messages of love and hope in people’s windows I

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don’t know if any of those things would have happened had we not been in this situation

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and of course people respond differently and cope differently with this pandemic

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and and our social distancing I think whatever you’re feeling is okay

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maybe even some days you’re feeling like wow we I don’t know when this was going

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to end this is freaking me out and some days you might say you know maybe it’s not so big a deal I’m just gonna follow

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a justice guidelines and live my life and it’s gonna be okay

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or somewhere in between but no matter what you’re feeling

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you have every right to feel it and that’s what you should be feeling even though it can maybe feel like it’s going

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up and down definitely check in with yourself go back to

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yeah ways that have worked for you in the past to cope or deal with stressful situations

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whatever works to soothe you maybe it’s going outside for a walk around your neighborhood or turning on your favorite

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TV show listening to music or journaling and then also try to stay open to new

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things so maybe you get curious about something that you see online on Instagram or somebody shares a friend

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shares with you something that they tried you have nothing to lose really in trying it yourself and seeing what kind

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of effects that has on you but just being gentle with yourself and kind of letting go of any expectations

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that you may have had of how your daily life was going to go or what your

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goals were gonna be for this year and just slowing slowing down

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great thank you for that what are some strategies that you might

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recommend to get to get started in something creative I we kind of talked about this before and

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and and you know we we did a little Q&A on the website but

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departed and how do we silent it’s not inner critic that’s like no you can’t do

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this you know like I don’t know again it’s like the white page

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challenge you link on that first mark

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yeah crumple the white page if you have to

Getting creative

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the hardest part is definitely just getting started and I think something

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that I find useful is going away from literally the white page and maybe using

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materials that you haven’t used before so and being creative could be

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doing many things from you know woodworking in your garage to you know to build a raised bed for your garden or

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yeah it could be using a lot of different materials and sometimes that gets you out of your head

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try baking something that you’ve never baked before there’s a lot of creativity that goes

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into cooking and baking and I think

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just being conscious that your end goal is just to make something

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it’s not about it being good or bad and it can only it can only be for you it

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doesn’t have to have an audience it could be something that is just a way for you to express what’s going on for

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you in that moment and sometimes that helps as well you can even make art and

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destroy it after tear it up in a hundreds of pieces it doesn’t have to

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last it’s more about the process of making something that’s important

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we’re speaking my love language

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I think about this a lot in the work that I do here at the APA so um yeah

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it’s important stuff okay

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recommendations when you make a parent or even kin

Recommendations

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to get make an art yeah my favorite thing is the recycling bin I

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think there are so many treasures my own house is right now

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got a we had a big we bought a printer and we have this big box that was transformed

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into a fire station it also doubles as a reading nook our little guy loves taking

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screwdrivers and batteries right now he’s two-and-a-half

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and tinkering around with things around the house but whenever I’m out of ideas I turn to

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the recycling bin and see what I can pull out from there for little kiddos I think just playing

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into their curiosity and about the world around them even though they’ve lived in

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their house for hundreds if not thousands of days there’s always something new to discover and play with

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so as long as it’s safe for them to use I definitely would encourage you to even

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check out the tool kit maybe pull out all the things that are sharp work and damage like it may be hammer is under

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supervision with supervision but otherwise just let them play and let them poke and let them touch and feel

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and make whatever whatever they’re drawn to making

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for the older kids I mean it’s definitely an opportunity to get

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creative and get some new skills visual Diaries are really great and those can be in books or they can be like so like

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and visual physical visual journals or digital formatting maybe a picture a day

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documenting their experience right now that could either be shared on social media or just for their own viewing

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pleasure so that they could remember what this whole shebang was all about

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and then yeah building on skills may be practicing cooking or baking picking up

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spatulas exploring things in the kitchen following the recipe it’s not only a life skill but it also

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lets them be creative and build their confidence

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almost every day and so our goal is to

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get teams activists three natives and take any form that is we’re trying to

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encourage Iran to do it 15 minutes a day that’s it this is so creative for 15

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minutes a day so but I really complete you saying sort of doing something like a daily practice is really you know

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helpful and it helps to kind of process some of those [Music]

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emotions or feelings again and I you mention this to like

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just get getting out of your own head which I think a lot of money lose finding ourselves in and

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parent as parents you know I think this

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is something that happens too so do you have anything specific for parents that

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they should be mindful of for oh gosh I think the biggest thing is just taking

Tips for parents

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care of yourself really being mindful about what does it

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mean for me to feel good what do I need to fill my cup

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the better we feel as parents the better we can parent our kids

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we’re definitely there barometers they might feel emotions and we’re the ones

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they’re helping them to regulate them so and they also pick up on everything that

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we feel they might not understand the complexity of what’s going on right now or the severity of it but they do know

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that something is up and that maybe mum and dad or caregiver is feeling stressed

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by it but there’s something different in the house so anything that parents can do to

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now check in with themselves and take care of their mental well-being their

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physical is thinking of the whole spectrum of humaneness spiritual well-being

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and making sure that your cup is full so that when you’re hanging out with your

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kiddos that you’re present and you’re helping them deal with their big emotions without being flooded yourself

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and it’s easier said than done

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absolutely so I want to switch gears because I want

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to talk a little bit about some of the community work

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that you’ve done and so a big part of your practice is working with community

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art hives so you can you talk a little bit out what an art hive in for sure so

What is an Art Hive

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an art hive is a community-based open art studio which means that it’s

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embedded in a neighborhood or a community it’s open to anybody and there

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are art materials there so that folks who walk in through the doors can create something

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there’s no real direction or directive other than use your hands to make create

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be creative be inspired by those around you or just happen to your own

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imagination and make something there’s no guidelines for how long you

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have to stay or yeah visits can be you know 30 seconds

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or three hours depending on how long the studio is open it’s really

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encouraging folks to reconnect to their maker self their creators they can be

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teachers artists students trying on these different roles these different hats that maybe you don’t get to practice or tap into in your everyday

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life and these art house can look at many different ways

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Janice Tim batos is a professor at Concordia University and she I gave her full credit for

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pollinating archives and spreading them all across not only Canada but the world

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now she is someone that I admire a lot and

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was my professor when I was doing my master’s degree in Concordia and I’ve learned so much from her and it’s really

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yeah the foundation she’s brought forward all the theories and and the foundation of what art Heights are

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and why they’re so healing in communities

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now some of the terminology that that is

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linked to an archivist is third base can you talk a little bit about what a

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third thing is and in sort of why why is the benefit

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yeah so a third space if we were to think of our home as the first place and

What is a Third Space

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our work as the second archives fall in this category of third

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places or spaces where we can be more maybe more creative engage in activities

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with friends or brand-new acquaintances that we meet only in that space

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these spaces aren’t new so things like cafes or public libraries

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if you were to imagine yourself in those spaces that’s that’s the feeling of a third space it’s like in between home

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and work where folks gather maybe from that community outside that community maybe

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they’re just passing through or they’re invested and live in the community so

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there’s this real cross-pollination of different people that enter the space and they’re there for a purpose of

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sharing ideas within the context of art hives it’s for making art and building community

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um doubly um and how does how does this the

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space or place or I art house benefit a community yeah

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I mean it’s a place for open dialogue and communication a lot of

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self-expression and sparks a lot of social action and change I’ve really seen it transform

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communities because neighbors from that community

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have a chance to get together and they might otherwise might not have

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and they can share their experiences about their daily life and maybe their

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struggles and put their heads together and come up with a resolution or just different options or opinions on

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what’s going on and if there is an issue in the community that enough people want

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to solve then they have more they have more individuals who are buying into it

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and coming up with a solution together so it really helps break down stereotypes you might cross paths with

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with individuals that you otherwise wouldn’t talk to at all it definitely

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builds connection you can reconnect with folks that maybe you haven’t seen in a

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while and all that is tied together and woven into this art making space there’s

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a lot of conversation that comes out of sitting and making something with your

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hands when you’re kind of distracted in that way there’s this like energy that flows and conversation just moves

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sometimes it’s there’s a lot of silence and other times the studios can be

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really lively and fun one of the things that are the hives

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that I’m really intrigued about it’s just accessibility could you a little bit about that

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sure I mean so the dream is to have an art hive in every neighborhood across

Open Studios

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Canada not the world really so they are open studios so they have

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opening hours which vary depending on whatever studio decides on and folks can walk in off the

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street enter the space a lot of it is sparked by curiosity when you’re walking by a space

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you know the zillion times and then you’re like okay well there’s people in

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there doing something together okay and another day you’re like oh they’re making art maybe like is it

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so that’s curiosity definitely draws people in and

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yeah storefront being on the main floor is definitely something that we consider

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when starting art hives making it accessible for folks to actually enter

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the space itself and then because it’s a third space I mean it’s kind of this

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in-between world you don’t need to have a membership to enter you don’t need to

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belong to any kind of institution so it can feel more accessible in terms of not

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belonging not being like a university that you need to enter and feel weary about entering because you’re not a

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student and there’s a lot of richness because it’s

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it’s such like an intersection of all of the folks that make up a neighborhood

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there’s a lot of sharing of skills and experiences so somebody might start

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doing some weaving or a certain technique that

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they know from maybe one of their ancestors or whatever culture they they’re from

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and that might spark someone to ask them how do you do that can you teach me so

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there’s a sense of pride and accomplishment and sharing their craft and then everybody gets something new

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out of it and there’s this exchange of skill

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Wow I was I was wondering if you might talk a

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little bit about the art hives that you that you started in Montreal

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so sure so I was really fortunate to be there when Janice was starting her first

Art Hives

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art high of la mouche da so there was a group of us students and

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community members who got together and launched that first art hive which was a

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huge learning experience we went into it not really knowing what it was going to

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be about and came out of it a small group of us wanting to start

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another art high’s so that’s when co-op Nemean the year

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began so a group of us started the Solidarity cooperative

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in another neighborhood in Montreal and differently structured than LaRouche

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there’s a lot of similarities between the two spaces but then a lot of differences as well and I think that’s

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expected when starting an art have because the folks who start them have different dreams and different realities

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and the neighborhoods themselves have different needs as well so co-op to me a

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year was started as a solidarity cooperative and we had to

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you know find a space like start from Ground Zero find a space and think of what our mission was and what community

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we wanted to be in how we were going to pay our bills so we came up with the idea of having a arts and crafts paid by

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weight

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space it was like a it’s yeah it’s a store

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where you can get art materials and you don’t have to pay by per item but you pay by weight so you fill a bin and with

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whatever you’d like from the studio we weigh it and then you pay what you can actually for for the materials and then

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we also had a little cafe um and made some treats to go along with

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you know your lattes and that was another way that we made money we ran a lot of workshops that

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were facilitated by community members blood classes and applied for a heck of

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a lot of grants Jerry um can you can you just define for me

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because I’m not sure what is solidarity cooperativity yeah so the reason why we

Solidarity CoOps

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chose it’s a way of structuring a business so there’s it’s one of the types of cooperatives that you can you

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can have and the thing that defines a solidarity co-op is that it has three

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main categories so the members are either user members worker members or supporter community members which means

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that everybody who is involved in the space or in the in in the studio has a voice and there is a fair representation

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of how the studio is going to be run so

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we had a board of directors that kind of took the lead but we’re always checking in with the community members and

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working members and user members to make sure that we were on track and we were

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giving the community what they needed and we wanted this to be the structure

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that we used because we felt we felt responsible to respond to what

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the community needed it wasn’t a community that any of the founding members lived in so we were

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newer visitors there and we really wanted to make sure that the community itself had a voice and that whatever we

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were trying to do in that community was driven by the members of the neighborhood and not by us as Outsiders

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[Music] things up for me thank you um okay um

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what what is it given your experience what is what does it take to facilitate a

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successful art hive he kind of alluded to you know like

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making sure that the community is sort of centered yeah in the the project

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but are there any other yeah can I say blood sweat and tears or

Blood sweat and tears

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is that a bit too cliche I think one of the biggest learning

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biggest learnings that we took away from starting co-op Emilia was that you have to start small and we

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definitely with that project started big we’re open six days a week for a lot of

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hours in the day and so sometimes it felt quite daunting and we were putting a lot of time and energy into it

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nevertheless the community members once they got to feel like they were part of

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the studio and part of the project really took ownership of the space and were able to help out so

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much but definitely it takes a an idea I

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think of what you would like your art hive to be like there’s no real template for it so somebody who has this idea and

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passion for opening an art hive and then other folks who have buy-in and would

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like to be part of that vision I think it the work is a lot easier when you

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have a group of dedicated people so if you’re thinking of this metaphor of

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hives and bees I mean one bee couldn’t do what all the bees do in a hives I’m

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sewing yourself with with other people that can support you is really important

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we really believe that art can be made out of

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many many things and there’s an abundance of materials out there so

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asking for free donations from the community was essential to starting our

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studio and we were flooded with them the

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amount of materials that we received from the community and apart from that I think a really

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great resource that was put together by Rachael Cheney who is works very closely

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with Janice and is one of my dear friends and put together a PDF document that can be

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accessed on art hives org and that kind of gives you an outline of what you need

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to know about starting and I have just a snapshot and of course everybody makes

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it their own but it’s a really useful really in-depth document that’s a good starting point

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um yeah that sounds amazing now are there

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any are times you’re in Alberta there sure are there’s one

Art Hives in Alberta

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at the mustard seed neighborhood center which is right close by my studio here

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in Richie in Edmonton and there is one

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in a church over by one 24th Street and I apologize Laura foster facilitates that space and

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I do not remember the name of the church but I’m sure we can get that resource out if anybody’s interested

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there’s some yeah they’re kind of all over the place and there’s one of the YMCA as well

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and again the art hive website is a really

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great resource there’s a map on there that’s interactive and you can you can see where art hives are in

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Edmonton and see which ones you can access more easily sure for someone that’s interested in

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joining an art hive um with what do we need to know you just show up

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like many things right now art hives have gone virtual so folks are meeting

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online and making art together having great dialogue and then sharing what

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they make there’s Facebook groups and zoom meetings popping up all over the

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place and again art have zorg is a great

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resource for that they have an extensive list of all of the virtual art hives with links to how you can access them

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but you really don’t need much you don’t need to bring your own materials I mean if you’re working on a project and you’d

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like to continue working on it in an archive you’re welcome to do so but there are definitely lots

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of materials for you to use it’s really about kind of like all art making venture is

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you just have to start you just have to walk in you just have to make a mark

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wonderful lovely okay I’m interested in connecting this

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back to sort of the pandemic it in just a small way recently the Alberta government has

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initiative initiated a staged reopening strategy so yes that might change like

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an art high or really change it at all I

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honestly think it’s too early to tell I think some of the things that may change

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is maybe the number of people that can access a studio

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sometimes you’ll enter an art hive pre-pandemic and it will be full buzzing

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buzzing with people making art to the point where you can’t even find a seat

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for yourself so I wonder about that and I wonder about

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regulations in terms of cleanliness sanitizing the space

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hand-washing for participants but I don’t know I think like I think

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no matter what happens we’re gonna be creative and come up with really great

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solutions to reconnect

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have you yeah lovely so I want to zoom out again so we’ve

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been talking about art hives and my phone is ringing in my office and this is like my nightmare so

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I’ll get to my question it’s not ringing anymore um so I wanted

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to be about a little bit and say you know like art hives are just one strategy for sort of building the health

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of the community but some how do we maintain that healthy community now that we’re in a pandemic

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how do we maintain that healthy community I think

Community Leagues

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making small changes for ourselves and for those around us bringing the focus

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on maybe you first making sure that you’re well but

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keeping in mind that even a small action goes a long way and taking those

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bite-sized pieces there’s some really I mean community

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leagues I think are a really incredible resource that is as far as I know I’ve

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lived in Toronto and Montreal and this is the only place I’ve ever known community leagues to exist

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but they are a lovely hub connecting folks in neighborhoods and

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and still yeah have lots of initiatives that

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can reach a lot of people and and and bring bring folks together even though

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we’re apart so that’s a yeah if you’re you’re kind

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of at a loss of how to connect with those around you if you reach out to your community League

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that’s okay I there is a couple of I’ve been

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hanging on to a couple of questions from from some of the people that are attending the webinar so I really want

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to get into the now shy of that so Liliana asked with will go what’s your

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art background what’s my art background so I have an undergraduate degree in studio art from

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the University of Guelph and from there I meant what medium did

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you work in I primarily did drawing and painting and

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we’re specifically oil painting more recently

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I’ve been a lot more interested in fiber art and textiles so I’ve been dabbling

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with cross stitching and learning weaving I’m a lifelong crochet I call it

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the punk rock of knitting because in my mind it has no rules even

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though it has plenty of rules so yeah I think I I move from from materials and

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yeah I’ve been a lot more interested in my background is Romania and I was born in Romania so I’m interested in

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connecting some of those [Music] embroidery and beading and those kinds

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of things and seeing what that looks like for me

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thanks to them interested in fiber

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and I got we got a question also from Christine she wants to know what a

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typical art therapy session might look like yeah so our therapists work with

Art Therapy

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individuals couples groups so it really depends on

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who the art therapist is and what they specialize in or what they’re comfortable who they’re comfortable

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working with so generally you would walk in to the therapy space and I mean if it’s

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your first session you’d go through the limits of confidentiality and informed consent like you would with a

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psychologist or a talk therapist the counselor and then some art therapists

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are more directive so they might have depending on whatever it is that the client is there to work on they might

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have some some project or a directive that they present to the client so something like

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draw me a picture of your family or or

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take this play-doh or plasticine and but into what you’re feeling right now

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for example and and then others are a lot less

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directive so really letting the client explore materials that are in the space

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and pull whatever they’re drawn to onto a table and letting them make the art

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and then near the end of the session there’s conversation about what that

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process was like so facilitated by the art therapist just

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questions around so what drew you to this color what was it like for you to make this

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this work of art how are you feeling now do you feel like there’s a difference in

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how you felt when you first came in versus how you’re feeling now is your piece missing anything is there anything

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that you’d like to add or take away so there’s lots of yeah dialogue and I

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think that’s where the richness of art therapy comes in because that’s when you

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the process of art making kind of like folds itself and becomes one and that’s

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where there’s a lot of the insight and kind of like the connections between

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experiences that clients can make for themselves and we see clients for you know we could

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do one session or we can do work with someone for years and years so it really depends on what the client

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needs

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thank you thank you that that’s really insightful into the into your practice

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that what it what it might look like and what it might mean to kind of work through things in a

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visual way um I have one final question for you Olga what is the number one

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takeaway you would have everyone reflect on today hmm

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whoa first thing that comes to mind is take care of yourself and of each other

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we’re all in this together and it’s really really tough

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but I think I think we can do it and if there’s anything you can do to

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just flick that little critic that’s telling you that you’re not good enough or you can’t make that or why are you

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even bothering to try if you could do anything to flick them off your shoulder and take a hike that would be lovely at

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the end of the day even if you’re to make one one attempt at creating something that’s a win I think and if

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not today there’s always tomorrow

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so much for agreeing to dot dive into the topic with me and and with us is

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there although before we sign up maybe you could let everyone know where they can find you if they have any question

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any additional questions or if they want to follow up with you absolutely

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so my practice is called Sparrow creative Counseling Center

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the best way to reach us is by going to our website which is

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www.hyken.com and we provide art therapy and

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counseling services clinical supervision consultation to a wide range of individuals right here in

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Edmonton even if you have a question for me about this conversation or anything that I do

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in my work there’s no silly question please reach out I would love to hear from you and if you’re interested I will

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be teaching a course about art hives at Saint Stephen’s College this summer it’s

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going to take place online in the last week of July it’s open to anybody

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whether you’re a student or not it’s open studies so anybody can take it and

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you can find more information on the st. Stephen’s College website which is

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University of Alberta dot CA / st. – Stevens

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question mark no question mark up to double check that but definitely st. Stephen’s College here in Edmonton

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love to see you join our course I think I wanna join

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yeah get in there super Angelo to learn from you

47:09

well thank you all I guess so much before we sign off I just want to mention a couple of mental health

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resources that are available for everyone sounds on wwa health alberta da da

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you can also attack two-one-one for information about community resources in your area also

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911 c services eight one one for our house link-belt hotline one eight seven

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seven three oh three two six four two and the kids helpline

47:43

1-866 eight tune in for more programming from your

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hea including our upcoming live conversation with nam Kobashi this Thursday at noon she’ll be leaving

47:57

a talk on our current exhibition nests for the end of the world so that’s the

48:03

upcoming thing and then if you missed our previous events or you didn’t get to stay till the end of this one or you

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want to review it again then they’re all recorded and they’ll be able to you’ll you’ll find them on our

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website so with with all of that information no thanks out into the world

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thank you again for sharing your expertise and insight with us today

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thank you so much Darin thanks everybody out there in virtual land and and thank

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you everyone who stuck with us for the full almost 50 minutes and taking the

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time to join us today and to ask question may you stay healthy and happy

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and creative during the unprecedented time thank you so much take care everyone bye

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