Follow along with artist Halie Finney in a drawing demonstration featuring a selection of figures from her work. Halie is joined by AGA Curator Lindsey Sharman for a discussion about her practice and new Capital Powered Art installation at the AGA, “The Ghosts of the Mink Make a Big Spirit.”
Halie Finney
Halie Finney is an emerging Metis artist currently based in Edmonton, Alberta. She received her degree from the Alberta University of Art and Design in 2017 where she majored in drawing, she also graduated from MacEwan University in 2014 with a diploma in fine arts. Born and raised in the Lesser Slave Lake region of Alberta, Halie holds a strong connection to the area. She understands her Metis heritage through memories told to her by generations of her family who still reside there and through the characteristics of her home’s landscape and lifestyle. Halie has created a mythology of characters living in a simplified story-book version of her hometown. The band of characters plays out non-linear, idiosyncratic narratives that are expressed through animations, costumes, drawings, paintings, performances and other objects.
Lindsey Sharman
Lindsey V. Sharman is Curator of the Art Gallery of Alberta. She has studied Art History and Curating in Canada, England, Switzerland and Austria, earning degrees from the University of Saskatchewan and the University of the Arts, Zurich. From 2012-2018 she was the first curator of the Founders’ Gallery at the Military Museums in Calgary, an academic appointment through the University of Calgary. Her primary area of research is politically and socially engaged art practice. Curatorial projects of note include TRENCH, a durational performance by Adrian Stimson; Felled Trees, an exhibition deconstructing national identity at Canada House, London; Gassed Redux by Adad Hannah; and the nationally touring retrospective The Writing on the Wall: Works of Dr. Joane Cardinal Schubert.
Halie Finney, “The Ghosts of the Mink Make a Big Spirit” (detail), 2019, illustration printed on vinyl, installation view, Art Gallery of Alberta, Edmonton, 2020. Courtesy of the Artist. Photo: Art Gallery of Alberta.Follow along with artist Halie Finney in a drawing demonstration featuring a selection of figures from her work. Halie is joined by AGA Curator Lindsey Sharman for a discussion about her practice and new Capital Powered Art installation at the AGA, “The Ghosts of the Mink Make a Big Spirit.” …
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hi everyone thanks for joining us for this AGA live drawing demo with Haley
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Finney my name is Liz Hill on the programming an engagement coordinator here at the HEA
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and I’m excited to be here today with Ely Finney and HEA curator Lindsay
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Sharman Haley Phineas newest installation the ghost of the mink make makes a big spirit is presented by
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capital power and can be seen in Manning hall at the HEA and today Lindsay and
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Haley will be talking a bit about that insulation and also he will be demoing for us some drawings so quickly before I
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turn it over to Lindsay and Hayley I just want to cover some housekeeping about this webinar platform if you have
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any issue with your connection there’s a little red reconnect button at the top of your screen and you can just hit that
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and it should refresh may or may not help but it is at least something that can help if you’re having some some
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trouble connecting on the right hand side you’ll also see a chat box so you
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can enter any comments or questions there we probably respond in two questions during the demo but at the end
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we can wrap up with a few questions and [Music] more ado I’ll turn it over to Lindsay
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and Hayley yeah so I’m Lindsay Sherman
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the curator here at the HEA I’m very happy to be here with green today we are
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in the same building but for different ends of the building so we are both
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actually at the age a very excited to have him showing us how to draw today so
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Hayley is an emerging maytee artist currently based in Edmonton Alberta she
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received her degree from au Arts in 2017 where she majored in drawing also
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graduated from hewing University in 2014 with a diploma in Fine Arts she was born and raised in lesser slave
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rate Lake region of Alberta Hayley creates a mythology of characters who
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live in a simplified storybook version of her home town the band of character
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plays out non-linear idiosyncratic narratives that are expressed through animations costumes drawings paintings
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performances and other objects hailey also practices tattooing and is the
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latest member of the Zissou on collective congratulations thank you so
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as I mentioned Haley and I are here together at the Art Gallery of Alberta which is located in Edmonton on treaty
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six territory this is the National are the traditional land of diverse
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indigenous peoples including Cree Blackfoot matey Nakota Sioux Iroquois
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Danai Ojibwe Soto and Anishinabe so to help situate us here and to help with
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this land acknowledgement the first drawing that Haley is going to do and
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share with us is she’s going to draw three six so it’s sort of like a
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callback to elementary school or where we learned how to draw all the provinces
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yeah it definitely feels that way when I was practicing I guess to start whenever
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I start drawing I start with this little like part of 26 I start with this little
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like novel that comes up and then I kind of go down and it makes like this is
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also not extremely accurate obviously but it makes kind of like a axe head shape kind of and then goes in and then
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from there I take this line that goes downward and also start until it make a
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little bit of like a small dog’s head and it goes down into like a I call it
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like a belly and things like a funny belly and then kind of narrows in the
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back a little bit and it comes back up into this kind of square shape and then
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from the square shape it connects from the nub there and then I’m including
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treaty ADA as well since that’s where my hometown is and it kind of starts down in front of
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the nose and behind the ear and then it will like it Wiggles up all the way
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around there and then it kind of it has this really straight line and then it kind of
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Wiggles all the way back down into another straight line that continues and
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then from that corner it Wiggles all the way back down and
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ends up following the Rocky Mountains that the Alberta border ends up following as well so that’s just like
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this is 26 this one is 8 and then
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Alberta if you want to situate it with an Alberta borders I kind of cut I call
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as a dog I cut the dog in half you can go straight up and stop about there
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where I can connect the top border of Alberta and then I also cut this kind of
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section part way and then this is the
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Rocky Mountains and then it comes all the way back down and I keep calling this a stone but to this stump of
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Alberta I don’t know if that makes you sad if you was there but I still like it
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so this is kind of how its situated and then if you want to know where Edmonton is it’s kind of like where the eye of
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the dog would be and then my hometown this would be like Slave Lake and then I
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my hometown my little tiny hamlet it is about like right there like on the
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border yeah it’s really really close actually I think like part of the lake at least in the maps that I was looking
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at like touches the border basically mm-hm yeah so yeah that’s my kind of
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quick drawing of the treaties
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that’s really great thanks yeah so we’re
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here I’m talking in celebration of the opening of the ghosts of the minke make
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the Vegas spirit so this is a huge mural one of the first things that
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you see actually when you when you come to the gallery and it’s also its visible
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like right from the entrance and so you don’t even have to pay admission to come
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see it and we are open now three days a week and so you’re everybody can come
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and and have a look at the project that you’ve done so the actual image itself
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is this kind of rolling billowing tumbling cloud and out of this black
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grey brown form emerges legs tails heads
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different parts of an animal on this
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image as with most of your projects is related to growing up he in Canyon Creek
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which is your tiny town on the border there that you’ve just drawn for us which is on the southern shore of lesser
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Slave Lake and I think the initial seed of this idea came from smoke so I wonder
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if you would show us how you draw a smoke yeah for sure
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so the way I draw smoke it’s pretty simple and cartoony so I think that
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helps and I know smoke can be like a little bit of a funny thing to try to draw it so I guess the way to draw smoke
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as I start making these like plastic shapes and I end up calling them like
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bumps all the time that way like Blanc’s I don’t know all the ways I realize I
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described how my draw like don’t actually make a ton of sense but like
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start drawing these like cloud shapes and they don’t all necessarily like
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connect to really like well they kind of like cut into each other
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and then some of them show more like a roundness and some of them are only like half and I kind of go like that and then
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if we continue to like make this drawing
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this like cloud shape come from somewhere it ends up almost looking like soft-serve ice cream or something and I
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don’t know I’ll put this to a point like as if it’s coming from like up fire person I’ll just draw like a little fire
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dome yeah so this is like a general
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shape you can like even though you’ve drawn these borders you can always add like more cloud shapes around it to
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expand it so after I do that I guess I add more things in swampy circles kind
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of randomly and it can like vary in size and it ends up making on this like weird
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kind of cartoony shape and then from
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there I think what really makes something look like smoke I used a little like hairlines all the time but I
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think those actually kind of give it a lot of like movement and direction so a good way to start how I always start and
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how I figured this out is I just follow the shape of one of these round parts with a fine line pin and I just make all
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these little lines and I feel like smoke
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is definitely something or you don’t really have to worry about if you like make a mistake because there’s not
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really a proper way to draw smoke so we’re following that you can change it up and we can add more round shapes
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within by just like making it up with these lines if that makes any sense so
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like well just like form another circle here and then follow it with all the
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other lines you kind of like make new lines with all these tiny little lines like as if it’s like a bunch of like
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where to cut lines when you make a craft and then these can kind of follow into
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another blobby circle and kind of follow
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that and then you can take this like s shape and you can take kind of a random area
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and just make lines that start coming out of there and kind of end up following another shape but the thing
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about those two is you don’t have to necessarily follow each like circle each blog you don’t have to follow it you can
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take the lines and go straight head into like another like blump so that it runs
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into the border and I feel like if you make the lines up and hit the border it
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kind of ends up making the circles feel like it’s kind of turning so but if you
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like put the lines and they didn’t touch the border it would look way more flat so I guess that’s kind of a difference I
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think the most important part about these lines is that you just keep them
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in a rounded shape no matter what you do as soon as you like let them go flat you’re drawing spinning stop moving or
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stop looking rounded and you also don’t have to put you know to fill the whole
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shape with these lines too because I can like kind of taper them off by putting
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them further away I’ll show you with this kind of area here I’ll just put a
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few there and then further leave a little less and then a little less and
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it kind of ends up making this round shape and then as you go I can get
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guides your like itself you can kind of decide where you want to continue the shapes like this is going this way so
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maybe I’ll continue this like turn and I can make it even sharper and make a
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small circle there like that and then just follow that and maybe I’ll have
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this one taper off yeah and you can also kind of treat these little lines as if
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they’re shadows or like shading too so
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yes an example would be at the edge of this block
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it would put some here I kind of follow it but then taper off kind of soon so
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that it kind of just kind of blends into those ones but looks like a shadow and
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then you can kind of do that not even within the rounded part you can put the lines underneath a Blanc shape and then
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it becomes a shadow as well and then if you don’t put any lines in this area and
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you just kind of have lines that kind of taper into it having somewhere that has
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no lines also makes a highlight if you have a bunch of lines underneath it and
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one of the things that I find really interesting about the piece that you have in Manning Hall right now is that I
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mean I described it as a mural but you you didn’t create it large like it’s not
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it’s not painted like directly on the wall or anything it was drawn fairly
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small in comparison and then blown up huge and so I think it’s really cool to
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be able to see the very fine detail in like you know you’ll get like a little
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brush mark that’s actually like been you know scaled up to like a foot yeah I
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think that’s really interesting too because like how I’m drawing this now is about the size understand a really big
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piece of paper but all these lines are about the size that they originally were
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and these circles are about the size that they originally were and yeah it’s just really it’s cut at first I like a
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little nervous I was like I wonder how this will look so much bigger because what I’m doing is fine detail now it’s
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gonna be so big I mean they’re federal translate really well but I think it does make a really interesting thing and
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also just like the way like a giant paint stroke does kind of look like or
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like can be similar to smoke mm-hmm you think about it it turned out work you
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know really well going from such a small drawing to so big and so when we were when we were talking
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about smoke in this project you were sharing a little bit of this like idea
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of smoke and something that is inviting
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and sort of a signifier of socializing but it’s also a signifier of disaster
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so could you could you share a little bit about that kind of dual quality of the smoke yeah um so yeah like I think
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like most people the idea of like the smell of like campfire smoke and seeing
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smoke like not a huge cloud but like a reasonable kind of smoke kind of you
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know that it’s probably somebody’s campfire and if you lived somewhere similar like where I do where everybody
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could knows each other that’s like almost an invitation to come over yeah I
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grew up somewhere where my parents always put like fires like have a fire
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and then friends just kind of show up they just see it and then they come over and they hang out with my parents so
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yeah it’s definitely familiar and comforting and then even the way I grew up we heated our house with the wood
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stove because our trailer didn’t have any heat so like smoke and that sense was a really comforting smell you know
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their house always smelled like smoke but then when it was the slave like fire
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I was actually at the campsite and I ended up getting stranded there because
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my auntie and uncle who could drive went and picked up supplies and then ended up
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getting cut off and couldn’t come back and then the camps I got evacuated but
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we didn’t have the radio anymore I think it I don’t know how they knew was evacuated because the video burnt down
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and you know stuck there with my grandma grandpa and my little cousin and then
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all of this smoke like you know how it gets here in the summer when it gets
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like smoky it’s like very yellow and all that stuff it was like that for like really intense like it I could feel like
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walking through this and of course that like stains your skin
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in your hair and later it ended up being fine but when we went to like wash our
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faces before bed when we finally like ended up getting out of there the like
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white face cause for yellow and then we started with this like weird smoke smell
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which is like kind of similar but different to when you’re around a campfire you get like stained with like
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a smoke smell that smells nice and it’s like you’re like you might be making
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your hair for days and it’s kind of like a nice memory like when you’re with your
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friends but yeah so I can totally like when I was running through it it can like make it hard to bring it and choke
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you even when you’re around the campfire you can get in your eyes and you like tear up and like your eyes cry a whole
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bunch they can do all these different things to you even if it’s like it’s nostalgic like comforting kind of thing
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that’s like friendly yeah I kind of ended up relating or using smoke as a
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metaphor or like grieving because even when you’re like grieving somebody and
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it’s a really comforting feeling it can still kind of like that to you mm-hmm
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I’m kind of emotional way and then grief and so it can go like smell from the
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candle to like really big and like take up a whole town or a whole area so I
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think like grief kind of is in people’s lives at least for me like that where it can be like something small to and it
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can grow into something bigger and it’s kind of like unpredictable – sometimes I
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just close wherever it wants – yeah and there’s like certain things like wind that will make it like so much bigger
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like that’s the reason why the like fire got so big was because of the wind hmm yeah I just found it was like a
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really great metaphor for like grief and all that kind of stuff so in the project
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here in that smoke you have images of me yeah
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did you want to draw main course yeah sure I’ll stop with this smoke I feel
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like I could go on forever and ever I’ll put it to the side again if I feel like
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it um yeah so mink basically I draw I
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mean kind of like a dog but I give it a really long body so suppose I draw a mink
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I it’s if I draw the body to swear get the dog so now let’s start with the ears
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I’ve noticed so there’s two little lungs that is you know I’m not really sure I
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think even when I draw faces I start with an odd spot which is like the mouth
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facialist over the eye so I’m not really sure where is or the ears maybe I’ll have to like really think
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about it woman as I’m drawing more yeah and then I try to smell and I’m really
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bad at practically making all my animals notes look like pigs so I’m really try did not look like a pig so I kind of
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give it a little nose and I leave the mouth open lots of time and then let’s
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see I kind of bring this down he’s like a tube neck I don’t think their necks should be thinner than their heads so
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then after that I get about that far and I figure out where I want to put the arms and because it’s like a long animal
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it kind of doesn’t matter like if you put the arms away too low or like anywhere so it’s kinda like make some
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cream I couldn’t give them long arms and I do three little notches for a pause it
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go up and then I connect that together and throw the other arm in there and
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they’re like long and skinny kind of like a ferret yeah I kind of draw like
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mink weasels there’s like they’re all kind of like really similar I think what
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makes a mink is just that I call the mink so then from there like you could like
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me the short body you can kind of turn this into lots of different kinds of animals but I kind of just try to make
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the Bobby like really long I’m gonna go extreme so I don’t accidently just draw a dog or something but then I follow
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this line like a funny stomach but
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that’s okay and then from there I’m gonna like turn this down cuz that’s the
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end of his body my favorite part is to draw their like back legs so you just
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kind of make another blonde place in the cloud and then you’ve got this like end of the body that you can kinda like go
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straight down or like cut it off so it doesn’t make a perfect circle and then
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this is like the hard part it took me like a little while to figure out sometimes I still get confused about back legs but you kind of make this
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weird like chicken leg shape but instead of it going straight out to a foot you
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have to give it like another turn and then then that becomes a paw and then
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let’s see this nice shape and you’re fighting it but that’s okay and then I
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just kind of like shadow that and then that like a little small but it’s like colored in black to be a shadow like
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that that side of the leg is really dark for some reason I think you can totally
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like adjust it and make it work for you
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[Music] yeah I use it all the time I think one
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thing that when people can’t draw they think if they make a mistake it’s over but you can totally just like correct it
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and everybody will believe and then I’m
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gonna give them a tail it’s a long tail it’s not long I usually got a really
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short I don’t know why and then I usually do a little wine with a mouth I think it’s just like
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something I prefer and I give them a eyebrows all the time and from there
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stars like really weird but I think it’s fine from there I use my like fine liner pen
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and where I’d put the hairs would be I always put hairs underneath my eyes and
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if there’s room I put them over top as well and then I always put lines like little hair lines going from the nose
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and they end up I and then I might put some behind my mouth as well and then
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just to like differentiate the head and give it something roundness I couldn’t put the lines like kind of like a cheek
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in a round shape back just so he has like a little bit of form and you can
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fill this whole thing with lines and like kind of follow the body how do you think it should go or you can use the
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legs like shading and put lines just on like the edges of where the arms and
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like bodies are aware it could be shadow and throw a bit elsewhere so it doesn’t
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just look like shading it looks like his hairs I did this on the legs well that’s
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nice like thick part of his leg I always do that on there like lumps as well this
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like lower part I don’t know what it is but I really love drawing though I live like this you know in shapes and you can
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make their legs really giant I don’t know why I like it so much but yeah so I
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kind of like follow if I’m going to do like the hair directions going like up
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to down I’ll follow that same method throughout the rest of like his form but
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sometimes I go the opposite and I just follow that same direction for the rest of this moment and I don’t think it
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really makes much of a difference to like how your drawing looks it’s just kind of like comes up how what’s
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direction you end up wanting to go why am i I mean Oh
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chose the mink because in my hometown there was mink farms and I was always
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aware of it even really before I knew what that meant because there’s all these cages and like
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by the beach big cages and I sorry yeah
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there’s all these mid cages by the beach you might always walk by them and then just kind of as you get older you kind
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of learn more and there you see mink farms in my hometown which is really
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interesting so like they farming and then the fur be sold to make fur coats and every kind of person that grew up at
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that time have stories about it my grandparents would talk about it my art teacher had the tip of her finger bit
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off by a mink she’s younger all this different stuff and then recently I found out that my grandma actually like
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worked like with the mink farming you see like prep the skin
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she didn’t skin them she prepped it before they went out and yeah she just
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told me that they worked in a little shack and there was two of them and it was like a seasonal job and yeah my mom
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the reason I found out is because my mom kind of randomly was like oh I remember went down that you still like do the mink skins she’d come home and I’d be so
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stinky like they stunk but then my grandma told me that like and my mom
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told me like what the oils from the skin would like really soften up her hands you know like the softest hands for that
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season and it was run by this guy who was like kind of fishy like he’s never
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done or said anything like extremely bad in the community but like he like had this huge business and Canyon Creek and
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around all the mink farms neon multiple little houses and yeah he’s just kind of
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like this mysterious like a year that when I was little he would wander around the area and go for walks with his dogs
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but I always felt like nobody really knew much about him so he’s a little bit like misty
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is scary also there’s also this like mystery that kind of goes along with the
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mink in their morning yeah for sure and so in the end the
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project that you have here this like form that the mink are in it is smoke
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but it’s also you describe as a spear in it
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and you did mention that you kind of have this relationship smoke and
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grieving and so there’s kind of this idea of absence in the smoke and so I
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wonder if you could just talk a little bit about this kind of duality between
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smoke and spirit or ghosts in this project yeah
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so because of the mink farm there’s obviously so many means that Lee died
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there’s so many cages so I kind of thought I was working with smoke for a
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couple of months before I decided to make this and I need the smoke into this like spirit but it didn’t really have
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like a much to it and then I when I was learning about my family’s involvement
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and the mink farming I kind of put together this idea that be like smoke
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could be made up of all these like ghosts of mink that like died in the
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mink farming and it’s not like mink with in smoke like the whole the whole idea
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of like the body of smoke would be made up of all these mink and they can like grow and shrink and you know the way
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they move their bodies is like Wiggly like smoke and all that stuff so yeah
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and then the idea was spirits is like I have that whole mythology of my
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characters and the spirit kind of exists in their world I end up making like lots
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of lore and tales about that’s around my hometown or like are about my hometown
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and make like a copy of my town business so they exist in that kind
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of world that I’ve made and yeah they I
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went yeah so the internal I gather my thoughts now smokers made up of all the
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mink which are ghosts so like and the smoke is a metaphor for grieving and
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when it’s made up of ghosts I think that just kind of like makes it just kind of came together made sense yeah I think
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that we maybe just have time for maybe one more quick drawing this time has
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just flown so was there we had planned
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for for a few more drawings but was there one that you were particularly
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interested in drawing for us before we wrap up um yeah I guess um everybody
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usually likes lunette a lot so maybe I’ll draw a Luna head but if you have
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questions that are like more to do with any other part that’s not specifically
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when that just let me know and I can probably draw a quick sketch of the character or whoever you’re talking about no you go ahead and draw draw the
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net but while you’re drying maybe did
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you want to expand a little bit more on the kind of notions of like duality or
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like hybridity like I feel like in most of your work in most of your characters
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and in the project downstairs there is always this kind of double play
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whether it’s like dual meaning of things like the smoke mixed with ghosts whether
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it’s smoke as danger but also something that’s like inviting
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your characters are oftentimes hybrids of like human animal or there may be
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like doppelgangers of people in real life or characters in real life so did
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you want to maybe kind of expand on that kind of idea of it
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yeah and him try to do that I feel like it’s a little bit like complicated for
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myself as well to like fully figure out because I feel like that like duality
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thing is so present in my work that I’m still trying to like figure out it it
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exactly I mean but yeah all my characters are like combos of like people and animals I
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think they ended up making them like that because I didn’t know what I like
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drawing people but I don’t really like using them as like like in my art because they they can like reference to
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somebody like too specific I feel like I didn’t want anything like really specific being there but they are
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influenced by yeah the people that I grew up with and my family friends I
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have one character they ended up making
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after like one of my parents friends and yeah just kind of inspired by like their
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attitude and like the way their life kind of ends up going yeah so they’re
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all different versions of my hometown and they make like my hometown as like a
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copy of I make my mythology as a copy of my hometown and I think a lot of that
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has to do with the idea of ghosts being a kind of a type of come with the word
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it’s like it is almost like a duel a copy of or different version of a person
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or an animal or something so I think it’s like very heavily inspired by the idea of like having a
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afterlife or how a I don’t know yeah like that afterlife
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or so some other place where you go yeah I’m still like exploring like quite a
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bit mm-hmm what were some of the other points that you were talking about I
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feel like I like dropped like a very
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yeah I think it’s I think it’s like interesting that it’s maybe like
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developing your kind of experience of loss or death and sort of maybe kind of
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like reckoning with like those huge questions of life is like you know
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what’s kind of beyond this or sort of outside of our understanding I guess
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yeah yeah I definitely feel like I’m trying to understand where all that like
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information goes that the person kind of takes with them and all that stuff mm-hmm
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and also like making a version another version of I don’t know a place that I’m
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really familiar with and my whole family is familiar with and kind of adding like
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a war to it that because Oakland towns have like funny stories and lots of them are like unbelievable even though
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they’re real interested in but yeah I guess kind of also creating another
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version where like I actually know everything because yeah I feel like I
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want to understand my hometown or than I do but I don’t know if that’s ever
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possible because they can’t live the same like life experiences as my like
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grandparents did or my parents cuz we all came from the same hometown I’m kind of like I’m trying to understand all
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that kind of information of this high place yeah something of like kind of grappling
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with your relationship to of that you have in childhood yeah and like
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I come from a small town too and so like I kind of understand this like weird
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more that happens in these small towns
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like these these stories that are like absolutely unbelievable but are absolutely screw and I think also those
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moments of like thinking back on your childhood and having those those weird
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queries where you’re like oh yes this thing just seems completely reasonable
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like think back on it like as an adults you kind of really get an understanding
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of like the weirdness of it perhaps yeah and I guess I’m making it even weirder
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when I like to make my own version and I definitely totally understand and got that feeling when I moved away to the
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city and then I would tell people about how I grew up and it’s just kind of like totally not normal
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totally not the average way of people doing up but yeah yeah kind of strange
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strangeness to it maybe um maybe we’ll
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get the Liz to come back and see if there’s any any questions from audience
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if she’s been monitoring it hi Liz I don’t see any questions here but if
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anyone has anything in mind just want to type it in quickly we can try and get to
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one or two sorry what were you to say no
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go ahead if we’re waiting for questions I’ll just like talk about maybe blue net since I’m drawing her quickly yeah the
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question can interrupt me but I guess lunette is one of my characters from like this like group of
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characters that are all like friends and lived together in an ice shack that moves on its own every season and
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Loonette is this like she’s kind of the last member to join so when we are with the other members they’re all
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and they’re already and we don’t know how they found each other but lunette is the one that kind of kicks off the story and she’s a ghost
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from this like deep forest and she’s so she’s been dead for so long that she
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can’t remember like which animals used to be and she has kind of like this
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extra like I don’t know like a power to Mary like the other ghosts are just the usual chic ghosts but she’s like really
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like I don’t know what it is but she’s like really magical and she kind of forces her way into the group even
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though they’re all really scared of her and they eventually end up liking her and yeah she speaks like nobody
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understands what she says she speaks really strangely I think she speaks kind of like backwards and yeah I think they
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did that because I used to have a stutter when I was growing up so slow seeing it a lot myself in a weird way
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totally modeled after like my own weird maybe my feeling of like growing up at
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the home town like having a stutter and being like a big weirdo she was like
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your self-portrait yeah but yeah I don’t
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think I’ve ever told anybody that before it’s just kind of funny thanks for sharing with yeah she is
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I feel like she’s everybody’s favorite so that’s I want to try to talk today
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did you have any other questions or anything no I’m just like I just enjoy
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watching your truck so glad because now
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I’m drawing I like can’t like stop and like look up at the camera it’s just
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really it’s always really I think enjoyable to watch somebody who can do
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something very well like the ease with
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which you drawers is really really great
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thank you on that I do have one question
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member what makes a drawing good or great or is there such a thing as said
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to be good a great drug I think that I
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really love when people who don’t normally jar see they can’t draw draw I
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always ask how my friends who can’t draw I want them to like draw me a picture so I don’t think that there’s ever like
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such thing as like this is a great drawing and this is a bad drawing I think if you’re like trying and you make
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mistakes and sometimes the mistakes ends up end up working and like sometimes like you can cover them up really easily
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I really don’t think there’s such thing as like bad drawing and I always want everybody to try drawing even if they
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think they’re terrible because I think also people who make bad drawings they’re making like the best drawings I
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don’t know that answer the question but that’s how I feel I like a very strong stance I’m always trying to get people
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to draw for me well I think we’re time
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to wrap up so thank you Hayley and Lindsey for that great conversation and
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demo I hope everyone has time to come down and see your exhibition in Manning
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hall and of course thank you again to the capital power for presenting that
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installation so the HEA is currently open on Thursdays Fridays and Saturdays
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open 11:00 to 5:00 on Friday and Saturday and open late 11:00 to 7:00 on Thursdays
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and we’re currently offering pay what you may admission for essential workers and our friends in the arts and culture
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sector so I hope you’ll all come down and see Hailey’s work as well as all of
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our other exhibitions
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