Co-curators Marc Epprecht and Allison Goebel in conversation with Awet T. Weldemichael.Co-curators Marc Epprecht and Allison Goebel in conversation with Awet T. Weldemichael. …
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Introduction
Introduction
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Introduction
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The invitation
The invitation
0:43
The invitation
0:43
Were we nervous
Were we nervous
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Were we nervous
1:16
What the lime can eat
What the lime can eat
2:49
What the lime can eat
2:49
How important is the collection
How important is the collection
4:42
How important is the collection
4:42
How it took off
How it took off
6:12
How it took off
6:12
Making the gallery an inviting space
Making the gallery an inviting space
9:18
Making the gallery an inviting space
9:18
Conclusion
Conclusion
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Conclusion
10:38
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Introduction
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we are at the Agnes Etherington Art
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Center Queen’s University in Kingston
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Ontario and with me are two Africanist
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professors here at Queen’s University
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who are curating a community-based art
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collection here and they’re here with us
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to explain to us what it is all about
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and what we should expect from that show
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to my left is Professor of Alice Allison
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global and to her left is Professor mark
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attract and without any further ado I
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would like to start with Professor
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Alison so this was a really interesting
The invitation
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invitation from Pat Sullivan at the
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Agnes for Mark and I to Co guest curate
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the next exhibition of the Laing
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collection for African art and because
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we’re not our historians or even know
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very much at all about art with
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sociologists mark as a historian so
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although we work in Africa we were a
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little bit nervous about the the
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invitation but also really interested in
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it as an experiment truly were I think
Were we nervous
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nervous about saying yes because didn’t
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want to portray ourselves as being
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experts in a kind of well-trodden path
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of you know Europeans and Americans
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North Americans claiming to be experts
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on something that they’re not between
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you know that there’s kind of power
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relationship there in which we didn’t
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want to do I think the fair say so we’re
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wrestling should we accept the
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invitation or should we try and conceive
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of a different way to do it and bearing
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in mind for me I was a young man when
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there’s a big big war on show in Toronto
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our Ontario Museum yeah victim was
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caught out of Africa something like that
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and it was despite their intentions it
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came across as a kind of colonial
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representation of Africa so we
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absolutely wanted to avoid that at all
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costs and and moreover and see if we can
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build a great nation community of
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africanist sand afternoon scholars and
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students here and at Queens and you know
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we do see each other now and then but it
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seems to me anyways this could be a
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spark to help us talk to each other in a
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new and interesting way the collection
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is put together under the working title
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of stories to tell Africans and the task
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for respond to the lion collection maybe
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we step back and talk about what the
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lime can actually eat in the first place
What the lime can eat
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so basically it’s an example of a
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mid-century 20th century collectors
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collection of African art so these were
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people who just out of their own
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interest would buy pieces from
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collectors saying in New York or
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Montreal or salon so there was this kind
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of group of collectors who were
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interested in the aesthetic values
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aesthetic aspects form and so on in
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African sculpture so so this was the
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nature of this collection was of that
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sort and they were interested in
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particular types of objects and source
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them from various places primarily
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originally from West Africa and almost
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all of it being a sculpture what does it
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mean that these people did this kind of
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collecting at this time in Canadian
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history and
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how what does this mean now that it’s
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here in this gallery of Queens
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University and how can as mark saying
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you’ll give in histories have conferred
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a controversy around Western collecting
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of African art and artifacts and
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displaying them in museums out of their
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context and with these sort of histories
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of colonialism attached to that we
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really I felt okay this is an
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opportunity how can we make this
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something positive rather than just sort
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of carry all this this baggage I was
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just amazed at how incredible the pieces
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were and that actually got me even more
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excited about how important this
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collection actually is with all of its
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complications and baggage and
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difficulties and one of the things that
How important is the collection
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always struck me and this applies to
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other shows Africa not have seen is you
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almost never see the name of an
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individual artist I’d it’s always you
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know unknown or and sometimes even the
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country it’s unknown where it really
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comes from you know so and my first
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thought was why don’t we try and you
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know go through this entire collection
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whatever it is over 500 pieces and see
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if we could find 20 that have names on
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and were unsuccessful in that Thanks so
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and it wasn’t
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I think you know reading the
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dissertation said here and in the
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scholarship that’s partly partly
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reflects the nature of the village where
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it was produced right that there was no
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I idea that
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individual could claim this belong to
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the home and so it’s partly that it’s
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partly also the collectors didn’t care
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it’s you know so that was but the fact
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is that the names iPlayer so we had to
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then go back and rethink this and when
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we’ve got a committee together of people
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here on campus who might be interested
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then just showed some pictures and got
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the discussion going so a lot of that
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that’s pretty volatile right there just
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from you know examples of people seeing
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there’s some other the cones and I got a
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discussion among men the women on the
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committee about the politics of hair
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styling and things like that right and
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yeah so it took off from there yeah so
How it took off
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we started with a small committee a
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total of six of us altogether so us as
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guest create curators and the rest as
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Africa and Africans are a member of the
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Diaspora on campus associated to Queens
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in some way or another and yeah we just
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brainstormed about you know how how can
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this be a positive thing for our
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communities and how can it be an
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opportunity to invite Africans in the
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Diaspora into the gallery on terms that
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perhaps is not very usual you know so as
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participants as people who are thinking
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about this collection from their
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perspective rather than perhaps as
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viewers or as just simply as others you
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know better so so that was really
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important to us at the beginning and we
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so people were really excited about the
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idea of people in contemporary society
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now responding in some way to this
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collection and so yeah we started you
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know the Comus was a perfect starting
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point but then what we did was had have
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each of the members of the committee who
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are all late to other groups and
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networks put out a call
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on those networks in terms of you know
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inviting people to participate in in
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this process we were absolutely
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overwhelmed with not quantity of
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responses but the quality of the
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responses that we got really excellent
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so we had people we asked people to go
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through the collection and it’s all
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digitally available so it makes it very
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accessible identify a piece or a number
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of pieces that they they wanted to
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respond to and then let us know what
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kind of response they wanted to make and
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we made it very open that it could be
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poetry it could be an essay it could be
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some kind of reflection it could be in
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some cases as it turns out pieces of
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original art that people wanted to
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design to respond to the collection in
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some way in other cases we had people
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who have objects in their own
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collections that they wanted to put in
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conversation with pieces from from the
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land collection so we have this very
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rich diversity of responses and very
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very thoughtful and very interesting we
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had a community meeting here at the
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Agnes where we brought more of people
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outside of the committee together who
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were thinking about participating and to
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have it have a kind of bigger discussion
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and brainstorming well because this is
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very unique I’m impressed actually to
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hear it is that you brought in different
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psycho circles of people involve them in
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this now the question for you is how is
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the public now going to benefit not only
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from seeing these sculptures but also
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from that community conversation that
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you had I hope it creates a space for
Making the gallery an inviting space
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people to talk about the many issues
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that arise from not just the show itself
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but you know
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Africans living in Kingston what does
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that like just as as a way of making the
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gallery an inviting space for for
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Africans and the Diaspora in the area
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that no this is out this is our show
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right this is this is not just
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necessarily done for us or to us this is
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us that did this and you know so again
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going back to those networks that people
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use to call for participation all those
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people even if they didn’t participate
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they’ve heard about it already right and
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they are now they see oh well my friend
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actually has has a piece in this show or
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it’s written something so now I want to
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go and I’m going to bring my friends so
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this is the idea of of welcoming a
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community that does not necessarily
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feels like this place is for them so
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that that was really our one of our big
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hopes for this and the fact that it’s up
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for two years gives us a lot of chance
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to have different events that we’ll be
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inviting to people and yes oh well we’ll
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try and keep that keep the doors open I
Conclusion
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think that’s the thing there’s certain
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stereotype of what African art is
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wrecking that as a history it involves
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some tasks and you know all that sort of
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thing so one thing I hope people will
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take away from this is to realize okay
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African art is a lot more than masks
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that come from Central Africa and we
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have a number of pieces from southern
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Africa and Zimbabwe is a very
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distinctive artistic traditions and
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meaning and for the artisan that is what
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so I’m hoping people will come and say
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that after is more than just you know
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these weird looking masks what are in
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the works basically to bring these
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diverse communities and and involve them
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not only in enjoying these arts but also
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in the activities that are being planned
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planning a variety of different kinds of
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events you know some children focused
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some and in terms of timing to making
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sure there’s things in the evening and
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things like weekends and things like
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that and showing some films and having
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discussions bringing in some more sort
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of expert type of discussion panel
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discussions or seminars so so try to go
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for more you know all kinds of different
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layers of of activities from sort of
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academic stuff to more
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community-oriented maybe have some food
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and music kind of events enjoy the show
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and allow me to thank professor Allison
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global and professor mark a pract on
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your behalf and enjoy the show thank you
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you
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