[Lab] Lab Digest, Vol 46, Issue 8

Thu Dec 12 14:35:42 EST 2013

Hi Michel (and any other folks interested,)

VoIP technology is just applications built on top of protocols that deliver
content over the base internet protocols. Similar to SMTP delivering email,
HTTP delivering web pages, telnet, FTP, SSH, Skype, TeamSpeak, WebEx, etc.
Your VoIP phone or gateway just sends and receives bits of recorded voice
instead of web pages, pictures, tweets, etc.

When an ISP gives you internet service, it doesn't matter whether it is
cable or DSL or wireless (cell phone data), they will generally carry
whatever internet protocols you want to communicate with. So unless Roger's
was specifically blocking VoIP internet traffic (which they don't) then you
can run any VoIP service over their network (just like you can with Skype
which is a VoIP service using a proprietary protocol instead of SIP which
is the popular open standard.) When anyone provides you with a VoIP
service, what they are renting you is DID (Direct Inward Dialing Number - a
regular old phone number) and allowing you to use their network of servers
to play your bits of recorded voice over the POTS (Plain Old Telephone
System) and record the other end of the conversation, break it into little
bits, and send it to your IP phone. They also provide you with a SIP
address (like an email address) you can share with your VoIP-savvy friends
and avoid going out to the old system at all. They may also provide a
service to connect your 911 calls to a national 911 call centre. These
services can be anywhere and offer all sorts of different features. It
doesn't matter which ISP you use with which VoIP provider. Rogers and
TekSavvy are internet service providers who *also* offer VoIP services if
you want one-stop shopping. But you don't have to go with them.

P.S. If everyone had IP Phones and gave out SIP URIs (if you have your own
domain or get email and voip from same provider, it can *be* your email
address) then you wouldn't need the POTS or even VoIP providers any more.
You would just dial an email address. You can see these starting to roll
out in proprietary (non-SIP standard) ways with FaceTime, Skype, and Google
Hangouts/Voice. After a painful bunch of years where they all try to "win",
they will all end up using standards and POTS will fade away.

--
Amos
amos at polkaroo.net

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Michel Cuhaci <michelcuhaci at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Britta,
>
> I don't how one can use VoIP over the cable, if Rogers does not offer that
> service (since it has to be registered at the Rogers centre and the modem
> is activated and monitored by Rogers). I had Rogers VoIP until September
> but I switched to Teksavvy.com VoIP (Tektalk) because the cost is 1/3 of
> Rogers VoIP for Residential users. Also if you have a Bell modem, which
> uses the DSL service, it won't work with over the Cable system. By the way,
> Teksavvy uses Rogers cable system for all their Cable services. They sell
> their VoIP modem for $100 or you can use your modem if it is compatible but
> you may have to check with them.  Teksavvy also provides DSL (buys trunks
> from Bell) VoIP service, and may be you can use your modem if you subscribe
> to that and if your modem is compatible.
>
> By the way, I switched both my cable Internet and VoIP to Teksavvy and I
> am saving a bundle compared to Rogers! I still have the TV with Rogers
> since I cannot find a cheaper replacement for their service. Bell FibeTV
> looks attractive until you check the programming, you have to pay $15/month
> for some basic French channels which are included in Rogers TV.
>
> Michel Cuhaci
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> > From: Britta Evans-Fenton <technical at artengine.ca>
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> > Hi all,
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> > Artengine is looking for some help in Networking. Last night someone
> > mentioned that we could continue using a VoIP phone if we configure the
> > modem? Does this sound right?  We would like to continue using VoIP but
> > Rogers no longer offers that, and as we have recently switched from Bell
> to
> > Rogers we would like to switch our phone as well. (Phone is still on
> Bell's
> > internet)
> >
> > Please let us know if this is possible and if anyone on the list can
> help,
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> > thanks,
> > Britta
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> > From: Britta Evans-Fenton <technical at artengine.ca>
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> > I should also mention we are currently with unlimitel.  How do we switch
> it
> > so it works with our rogers account instead of the bell one?
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> > Britta
> > *Technical Coordinator *
> > Artengine.ca
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> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Britta Evans-Fenton <
> > technical at artengine.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Artengine is looking for some help in Networking. Last night someone
> >> mentioned that we could continue using a VoIP phone if we configure the
> >> modem? Does this sound right?  We would like to continue using VoIP but
> >> Rogers no longer offers that, and as we have recently switched from
> Bell to
> >> Rogers we would like to switch our phone as well. (Phone is still on
> Bell's
> >> internet)
> >>
> >> Please let us know if this is possible and if anyone on the list can
> help,
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Britta
> >> *Technical Coordinator *
> >> Artengine.ca
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> > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:45:37 -0500
> > From: Michael Lechasseur <mlecha at artengine.ca>
> > To: lab at artengine.ca
> > Subject: Re: [Lab] Networking and VoIP help
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> > Hi Britta,
> >
> > So we want to use Unlimitel's VOIP over Rogers internet?
> >
> > What's the Rogers technology, and the model of the Rogers
> modem/electronics?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On 12/12/2013 11:25 AM, Britta Evans-Fenton wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Artengine is looking for some help in Networking. Last night someone
> >> mentioned that we could continue using a VoIP phone if we configure
> >> the modem? Does this sound right?  We would like to continue using
> >> VoIP but Rogers no longer offers that, and as we have recently
> >> switched from Bell to Rogers we would like to switch our phone as
> >> well. (Phone is still on Bell's internet)
> >>
> >> Please let us know if this is possible and if anyone on the list can
> help,
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Britta
> >> /Technical Coordinator /
> >> Artengine.ca
> >>
> >>
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