<div dir="ltr">I think the people that want to be busy driving will just disappear. When real improvements come forward there are always people who say they wont adopt. But it's just talk.<div><br></div><div>I remember when bank machines were becoming popular lots of people were belly aching they would insist on dealing with a real person. Frankly I'm pretty happy to show up at my bank and grab one of their six banking machines 24x7. And there are now very few people who don't use bank machines.</div><div><br></div><div>I remember the same when TV remotes were coming out. Lots of people were saying it was lazy (bahaha now they don't say that)... Also microwaves, I many people said they'd not use them. But everybody does.</div><div><br></div><div>Oh, answering machines.. people said the same thing.. but that one is phasing out I think anyway.. people use email and text a lot now.. </div><div><br></div><div>It'll be the same thing. <br><div><br></div><div>There will always be people who do old stuff (like car collectors and nostalgia stuff).. but that doesn't affect adoption of the new stuff. Like the guys that have old cars that hang out at the Busters parking lot don't affect he people who are buy electric cars and other new stuff...<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><div><br></div><div><div>--</div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;letter-spacing:0.2px">Art+ </span><a href="http://inventorartist.com/" style="font-size:12.8px;letter-spacing:0.2px" target="_blank">inventorArtist.com</a><span style="font-size:12.8px;letter-spacing:0.2px"> | Makerspace </span><a href="http://hack613.com" style="font-size:12.8px;letter-spacing:0.2px" target="_blank">hack613.com</a><span style="font-size:12.8px;letter-spacing:0.2px"> | Aviation </span><a href="http://rubber-power.com/" style="font-size:12.8px;letter-spacing:0.2px" target="_blank">rubber-power.com</a><br></div><div>Contact: <a href="mailto:darcy@inventorArtist.com" target="_blank"><b>darcy@inventorArtist.com</b></a> | 613-563-3634 by appointment</div></div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:54 AM David @ ProjectWorkshop <<a href="mailto:david@projectworkshop.com">david@projectworkshop.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Very interesting. I have always thought the individual automatic car
concept made sense. It could work like public transport, with shared vehicles,
but still meet exact point to point movement that people desire. I would also
think individuals could still own their own if they like, so as to be able to
keep their “stuff” with them (I might like that myself), and/or have a
customized travel cab/environment, but the vehicle would otherwise still
plug-into the same automated travel network and processes. I have talked about
this stuff over beers with friends, and many do not like the idea at all. They
want to run the gas and brake, turn the steering wheel, and in many cases be
involved in operating the transmission in some way. They want to direct the
details of vehicle operation and motion. They like driving.</div>
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<div>Anyway, I assume people can find new pastimes while riding, but it will be
quite a change for many. I’m for it because I don’t care for driving, but I
don’t mind having to drive just around town either, so I also don’t really need
it, and I think it will impact me very little...I’ll drive, or I won’t. I don’t
think I care. We shall see. (BTW, my partner and I often do the: you drive...no
you drive...no you drive, thing, if the drive is any serious distance.)</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="darcy@inventorartist.com" href="mailto:darcy@inventorartist.com" target="_blank">Darcy Whyte</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 04, 2018 9:04 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="ryanstec@artengine.ca" href="mailto:ryanstec@artengine.ca" target="_blank">Ryan Stec</a> ; <a title="hack613@googlegroups.com" href="mailto:hack613@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">Hack613</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="lab@artengine.ca" href="mailto:lab@artengine.ca" target="_blank">lab</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lab] AVIS exploring a new business model -
servicingautonomous cars</div></div></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Fascinating...
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<div>I think antonymous cars are inevitable and they will solve a lot of
problems. </div>
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<div>There are some amazing possibilities. Here are some thoughts/ramble.</div>
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<div>Eventually I think there could be no signs or lights or even lines on
roads. Except perhaps marking places for pedestrians. Cars would just move along
and if a pedestrian crosses the road they just stop as long as needed.</div>
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<div>They'd zipper through intersections or just plan to not have cars arriving
that would conflict. Merging would automatically zipper. If an ambulance is
moving on a highway, cars would automatically clear a lane for it. Lane
direction would auto configure based on volume in each direction. A lane could
even serve both directions with some fancy lane changing and coordination.</div>
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<div>They could drop you right at your destination and then go off to a gig
economy of fares or to a parking area far away. So without parking in high
traffic areas there could be more lanes and better throughput.</div>
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<div>Also cars could have policy programmed into them (the rules they use for
driving). This could be part of status. For instance if you wanted to get
somewhere quickly during a peak period you could toot down the highway and cars
would get out of your way. The policy of your car would request cars to change
lanes. Other cars would have their own policy. Some cars might just get out of
your way. Others might need payment to get out of the way. So if you want to get
somewhere faster you subsidize some of the rides of people who cleared a lane
for you. The higher the price your car policy will pay the more effective it
will be at clearing the fast lane.</div>
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<div>The sense of urgency in driving will go away. Today you see people speeding
up to a red light then wasting gas pulling away in a hurry. This may go away
since you are not occupied by driving anymore. Safety can increase since
nobody's in a rush because the traffic could be very efficient and everybody's
conducting their social and other business instead of driving.</div>
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<div>An extreme example would be going to a party, drinking alcohol then
stepping into your car to get home. You'd just sleep while your car gets you
home. No rush there. It'd take lower volume and peaceful routes and then wake
you when you get home (depending if that's in the policy/rules).</div>
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<div>Car ownership might become more shared (as most people predict). </div>
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<div>Imagine how inexpensive a taxi/uber could be if you remove the
driver...</div>
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<div>Cities could also have mini buses that shuttle people around as well.</div>
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<div>I wonder if buses as we know them with fixed routes and stuff might even
become obsolete? Demand driven shuttles could run 24x7. </div>
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<div>A given route could even interact with a bulk system such as the rail
system. You could be dropped off at a rail station if there's a train coming,
then when you get off a different vehicle is there waiting for you.</div>
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<div>There could be integration with bicycles or electric kick scooters. Perhaps
some vehicles could carry bicycles somehow. Or there could be shared bicycles
too...</div>
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<div>I food delivery vehicle might be able to operate without an operator. It
pulls up and you walk up to it, identify yourself and it lets you take your
order/package. Mail delivery, shipping.. christ it seems endless what can
happen...</div>
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<div>This will take quite some time though. I don't think it's around the corner
like most do.</div>
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<div>What is around the corner I think is a mix of the current human driven cars
and cars that are fairly autonomous but require human supervision. This is due
to the culture around regulations and safety. And as long as there are a lot of
human drivers on the road even autonomous cars aren't as safe. If we're lucky
municipalities will designate good routes to autonomous cars where full autonomy
might be allowed sooner (since there's no humans operating)...</div>
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<div>Currently peoples' status is partly tied up with their vehicles. Of course
I'm not a fan of this but the status aspect may come with expensive driving
policies that give higher priorities to road resources. Or ownership so they can
have access to a vehicle during peak periods.</div>
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<div>Another thought I had was safety regulation. Cars could come with different
sensor packages and a question is what will be the minimum. <span style="FLOAT:none;DISPLAY:inline;BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">For
instance some IR vision (or something) might be able to see a deer running
through the bush.</span> </div>
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<div>Even if your car doesn't have a particular sensor on it, it could get the
same information from the network. So a car ahead is tooting along and a deer is
about to run in front of it. It knows that from it's night vision package. Your
car doesn't have the package but it buys the information from the car ahead
(based on the policies). Or perhaps it could be mandatory for safety information
to be passed along the network. Perhaps it will be worth having he expensive
package because you can sell the data to other cars in real time.</div>
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<div>One way or the other, sooner or later access to cars will be spread out a
bit more evenly. It will be safer and greener. The lower end might be municipal
networks of shuttles and the higher end might be ownership or fancy-expensive
policy in your driving account(s).</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 12:20 PM Ryan Stec <<a href="mailto:ryanstec@artengine.ca" target="_blank">ryanstec@artengine.ca</a>>
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<p>Robin Chase, founder of ZipCar talked alot about the role transportation
companies will play, given the fleet infrastructure they already have. </p>
<p>This is a great panel discussion with Robin Chase and Anthony Townsend
which has some great insight.</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/ubDQrOkHY1c" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/ubDQrOkHY1c</a></p>
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<p>On 2018-06-04 10:47, Jason Cobill wrote:</p>
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<div> What's AVIS going to do when autonomous cars and
ridesharing put the nail in the coffin on the car rental industry? </div>
<div> They have all the experience and facilities to service
huge fleets of cars - cleaning, fuelling, and repairing their own huge fleet
of vehicles, plus they have parking lots and vehicle charging stations at
airports and in urban cores.</div>
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<div> ... so they're exploring becoming a service provider for
autonomous vehicles. After a hard morning of dropping office-workers off,
your UBER will drive out to the airport to wait it's turn in line to be
shampooed and fuelled up and ready for the next customer.</div>
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<div> <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/avis-ohad-zeira-self-driving-future/" target="_blank">https://www.wired.com/story/avis-ohad-zeira-self-driving-future/</a></div>
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<div> This is super brilliant.</div>
<div> How long until every step of the servicing is automated?
Robot fuel attendants, robot carpet cleaners. Little robot that drives along
with a rag and cleans your rims. :) </div>
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<div> -Jason</div>
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