<html><head></head><body><div>Thanks John,</div><div>Very interesting.</div><div><br /><div class="acompli_signature">Henri</div><br /></div><br /><br /><br />
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:41 AM -0700, "John Weisberg" <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jweisberg@sympatico.ca" target="_blank">jweisberg@sympatico.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br />
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,<br />I realized last night at the Ottawa Tool Library launch that not everyone on this list has heard about the Glowforge laser cutter/engraver. They've had a very successful crowd-funded launch (on their own, not through Kickstarter). The special pricing was supposed to end yesterday at 6 pm PST, but their servers were hammered and orders weren't going through so they've extended the offer until Monday morning. Haven't heard an exact time yet.<br />You can check out the machine here:<br /><a href="http://glowforge.com/referred/?kid=pcsGbl" target="_blank">http://glowforge.com/referred/?kid=pcsGbl</a><br />That's a referral link - if you order using it you get $100 off, and so do I. You can always go directly to the site if you are averse to referrals and saving money ;)<br /><br />I've ordered one, realizing that there are lots of risks here. I have 90 days to reverse the charges on my credit card, and beyond that the company has promised a full refund anytime up to when you provide your shipping address, in other words, when they have stock to ship to you. First units are supposed to be out in December, the last commitment from the CEO was to have all early bird units shipped by August 2016. I don't know if their success will make that easier or harder to achieve.<br /><br />All pricing on the site is naturally in US$. Canadians need to consider exchange rate, shipping (3X the cost to the US), GST, and since the machines won't ship until sometime next year I figured 1 year of opportunity cost at 3% interest/year. I calculated some different options, may as well save you the trouble and post them here. I assumed A) shipping to Ogdensburg; and B) 1.36 exchange rate. First column is machine, second US price, 3rd US shipping, 4th C$ subtotal for machine + shipping * exchange, 5th tax on machine only * exchange, 6th machine + shipping + tax, 7th opportunity cost @ 3%, and 8th difference in price between units. So the Pro w/o filter is C$2,346 more than the basic. I hope the chart come out readable!<br />
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<td class="xl66" style="width:56pt" width="74"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Base $US<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></td>
<td class="xl66" style="width:58pt" width="77"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Ship $US<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></td>
<td class="xl66" style="width:56pt" width="74"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>sub1 $C<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></td>
<td class="xl66" style="width:48pt" width="64"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>tax<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></td>
<td class="xl66" style="width:48pt" width="64"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>sub2 $C<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></td>
<td class="xl66" style="width:59pt" width="79"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Opp Cost<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></td>
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<td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">Basic</td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>1,995 </td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>99 </td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>2,848 </td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>407 </td>
<td class="xl64"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>3,255 </td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>85 </td>
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<td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">Pro w/o filter</td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>3,495 </td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>99 </td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>4,888 </td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>713 </td>
<td class="xl64"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>5,601 </td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>147 </td>
<td class="xl64"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>2,346 </td>
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<td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">Pro w/filter</td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>3,995 </td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>175 </td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>5,671 </td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>815 </td>
<td class="xl64"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>6,486 </td>
<td class="xl63"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>170 </td>
<td class="xl64"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>$<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>885 </td>
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</tbody></table><br />Lots of discussion around the web, much fanboy, some unreasonably harsh. I wrote up a long post for a woodworking forum that was rejected but can post some of it here if anyone wants more info.<br />No affiliation with the company. I know lots of people on this list are interested in using a laser cutter,which is why I'm posting.<br />John<br /> </div>
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