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    I do not think that particular PID controller will work with this
    application as it is not meant for fast switching, it is meant for
    relatively slow processes.<br>
    The wire itself has very little mass so slow switching will not work
    as wire will cool off quickly.<br>
    You really do not need closed loop with feedback for this, the
    variac is good solution but maybe a bit overkill, if your heated
    wire is only 3-4 feet long.<br>
    <br>
    On my CNC foam cutter I use 0.009" wire which has quite high
    resistance and I need only about 18-20V to heat it up.<br>
    With 20AWG wire (which has over 0.030" diameter) you will need lower
    voltage and higher amperage, which variac will provide, just be
    cautious and treat it as mains as someone wisely pointed out
    already.<br>
    <br>
    If you can not find wire, you can always use steel guitar strings,
    "e" string is 0.009", "G" string is 0.016" (talking about guitar G
    string here, just to be clear ;-) )<br>
    If you can not find variac, you can always try to use regular step
    down transformer and dimmer switch on the primary side.<br>
    Or since you will need low voltage, you can try just regular bench
    top power supply.<br>
    <br>
    Roman<br>
    <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/4/2013 4:25 PM, Michael Grant
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAPvOnTvGRz2k5Luo3HiVp3M-+f6Pj4wR25QS9ix6MPnf5HqkQQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">That power supply is also known as an autotransformer.<br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer</a><br>
      <br>
      Care should be taken with an autotransformer, while the voltage
      can be set low, there is no, none, zero galvanic isolation.<br>
      Meaning the full current of the service is available (20amps).
      Treat the output as you would treat 120VAC direct from a
      receptacle...<br>
      <br>
      I've never seen one in the lab, but they do have a variable  DC
      supply that is maybe 3amps and 30v max.<br>
      Depending on the load, the heating element, you might be able to
      use one of those twisty things for lights...<br>
      Alternatively, an AC thermostat for bang bang control with
      hysteria should also work if you keep the thermal loop tight.<br>
      <br>
      The last and best option would be a ~$14 PID controller from ebay,
      that would give the best thermal regulation. <br>
      Sometimes they come in a kit with an SSR (solid state relay) and a
      thermocouple for a little more dough...<br>
      Here's one kit for $24...<br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ebay.ca/itm/100-240V-Digital-PID-Temperature-Controller-max-40A-SSR-K-Thermocouple-Probe-/290825156892?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b687b91c">http://www.ebay.ca/itm/100-240V-Digital-PID-Temperature-Controller-max-40A-SSR-K-Thermocouple-Probe-/290825156892?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b687b91c</a><br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Michael<br>
      --<br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://krazatchu.ca/">http://krazatchu.ca/</a><br>
      <br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Henri
        Kuschkowitz <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:henri.kuschkowitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">henri.kuschkowitz@gmail.com</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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          <div style="word-wrap:break-word">So, I am still getting some
            more costs tomorrow, but I think I might go with this
            quick/dirty setup: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVEf7PfuKxo"
              target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVEf7PfuKxo</a> 
            <div> <br>
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            <div>What do you guys think? This leads me to my next
              question, would anybody know if the lab has an item
              similar to this:
              <div>
                <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.temcoindustrialpower.com/products/Variable_Transformers/TVT001.html?utm_source=temcotransformer.com&utm_medium=Banner+Ad&utm_campaign=Variac+TVT001"
                    target="_blank">http://www.temcoindustrialpower.com/products/Variable_Transformers/TVT001.html?utm_source=temcotransformer.com&utm_medium=Banner%2BAd&utm_campaign=Variac%2BTVT001</a></div>
                <div> </div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>Cheers all,</div>
                <div>Henri</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div>On 2013-07-04, at 7:54 AM, Alex <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:alexbarbour@bell.net"
                        target="_blank">alexbarbour@bell.net</a>>
                      wrote:</div>
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                        <div><font face="Arial">Henri</font></div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div><font face="Arial">Angle iron is a common
                            name applied to steel angles. some are
                            extruded in the heavier sections and have a
                            sharp outside corner.</font></div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div><font face="Arial">Some are bent from flat
                            stock and have a radiused corner.</font></div>
                        <div><font face="Arial">These are better for use
                            as formers for plastics.</font></div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div><font face="Arial">Home depot. Hardware
                            dept.</font></div>
                        <div><font face="Arial">CTC ect.</font></div>
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solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px"
                          dir="ltr">
                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original
                            Message ----- </div>
                          <div style="FONT:10pt
                            arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              title="henri.kuschkowitz@gmail.com"
                              href="mailto:henri.kuschkowitz@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">Henri Kuschkowitz</a> </div>
                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              title="alexbarbour@bell.net"
                              href="mailto:alexbarbour@bell.net"
                              target="_blank">Alex</a> </div>
                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b>
                            Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:12 AM</div>
                          <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b>
                            Re: [Lab] Plastic Bending Strips</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Hey Alex,</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>I have a very particular type of acrylic
                            we are going to be using that I doubt comes
                            'bendable'. Angle iron? I haven't seen those
                            before. Got a reference or suggestion?</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Cheers,<br>
                            Henri</div>
                          <div><br>
                            On 2013-07-03, at 8:03, Alex <<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:alexbarbour@bell.net"
                              target="_blank">alexbarbour@bell.net</a>>

                            wrote:<br>
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                            <div>
                              <div><font face="Arial">On the other hand
                                  they do produce an acrylic sheet that
                                  can be bent cold .</font></div>
                              <div><font face="Arial">Have done small
                                  pieces by hand. For larger OR thicker
                                  ( say 1/8 inch + )one needs a former
                                  for the edge. Angle iron with a round
                                  egde serves well.</font></div>
                              <div><font face="Arial">Alex B</font></div>
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solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
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                                    <div style="FONT:10pt arial">-----
                                      Original Message ----- </div>
                                    <div style="FONT:10pt
                                      arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        title="henri.kuschkowitz@gmail.com"
href="mailto:henri.kuschkowitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">Henri
                                        Kuschkowitz</a> </div>
                                    <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        title="lab@artengine.ca"
                                        href="mailto:lab@artengine.ca"
                                        target="_blank">lab</a> </div>
                                    <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b>
                                      Tuesday, July 02, 2013 3:09 PM</div>
                                    <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b>
                                      [Lab] Plastic Bending Strips</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    Hey guys,
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>I figured it's a good time to
                                      start asking the collective for
                                      some feedback. We are planing on
                                      bending larger sheets of acrylic
                                      (they will definitely not fit into
                                      the laser cutter) and I am looking
                                      at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.briskheat.com/p-152-rh-plastic-bending-strip-heater.aspx"
                                        target="_blank">bending strip
                                        heaters</a> to build a custom
                                      heating element for our purposes.
                                      Before I go ahead ordering the
                                      pieces I was wondering if anyone
                                      had ever used such a thing and/or
                                      knows of a good local source? For
                                      saving some money, I wonder if
                                      reusing a baseboard heater could
                                      do the trick :P</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Cheers all,</div>
                                    <div>Henri<span
                                        style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></div>
                                    <div><br>
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