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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Hi,<BR>
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Have you looked at the Cricut? <A href="http://www.cricut.com/home/">http://www.cricut.com/home/</A><BR>
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This is a hobby machine that cuts stencils and I believe has a large format version as well. I also saw a machine in a hobby shop in the US that was for fabric stencil creation for screen printing. Can't remember what it was called, sorry.<BR>
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John<BR>
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<DIV>> From: lab-request@artengine.ca<BR>> Subject: Lab Digest, Vol 39, Issue 29<BR>> To: lab@artengine.ca<BR>> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 12:00:02 -0400<BR>> <BR>> Send Lab mailing list submissions to<BR>> lab@artengine.ca<BR>> <BR>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> http://artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/lab<BR>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> lab-request@artengine.ca<BR>> <BR>> You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> lab-owner@artengine.ca<BR>> <BR>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> than "Re: Contents of Lab digest..."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Today's Topics:<BR>> <BR>> 1. Re: Chemistry help: moding Inkjet Printers<BR>> (Stephane Beauchamp-Kiss)<BR>> 2. Re: Chemistry help: moding Inkjet Printers (Mike Ayukawa)<BR>> 3. 3-D Printing Robot, Like a Giant 3Doodler (Jason Cobill)<BR>> 4. Re: 3-D Printing Robot, Like a Giant 3Doodler (Andrew Plumb)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 1<BR>> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 16:40:54 -0400<BR>> From: Stephane Beauchamp-Kiss <stephane.beauchampkiss@gmail.com><BR>> To: Jason Cobill <jason.cobill@gmail.com><BR>> Cc: lab <Lab@artengine.ca><BR>> Subject: Re: [Lab] Chemistry help: moding Inkjet Printers<BR>> Message-ID:<BR>> <CAG6HjYY_a_Am9_Kj3_5HSefMdVWzZQp0f9pu14zxEF29eJU1bQ@mail.gmail.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR>> <BR>> Jason,<BR>> <BR>> Great ideas there. Thank you so much for the suggestions. I'm drawn to<BR>> using standard paper and ink becasue the printers are calibrated to<BR>> work with that and are most likely to print accurately. This is<BR>> particularly true if I'm looking at something as large as a plotter<BR>> for big stencils.<BR>> <BR>> The issue is safety + clean dissolving of the printed area.<BR>> <BR>> I know there are many chemicals that could do this done. Your<BR>> suggestion of phosphorus + heat is a good idea, I'll need to explore<BR>> this, but i'm concerned that with autoignition of paper, the burn will<BR>> continue past the printed area and you won't end up with a clean<BR>> stencil. Something to try!<BR>> <BR>> Photosensitive silkscreening is actually not an application I've<BR>> tried, since I've never had a darkroom. You've got an interesting idea<BR>> there, but I'd like to focus on the cut stencil idea. I did fail to<BR>> explain that this is currently my main method for creating stencils -<BR>> I'm skilled at hand cutting large, detailed stencils with an sharp<BR>> blade over a lit surface. But, as you can imagine, this takes up huge<BR>> time resources for complicated designs.<BR>> <BR>> What I would love to do is create a safe DIY kit for others to follow.<BR>> Many chemicals that I know will do the trick are either dangerous (ie,<BR>> calcium carbide in the ink then misting the paper with water would<BR>> work but will release acetylne) or probably won't work right (NMMO).<BR>> That's why I'm hoping someone on here with a chemistry background can<BR>> really help me identify a chemical that would work nicely for this<BR>> application.<BR>> <BR>> Any more ideas out there?<BR>> <BR>> Stephane Arthur Kiss, M.A.Sc<BR>> Producer: Art, Music, Design<BR>> ANTI STUDIOS.com<BR>> OFFICE 613-997-3015<BR>> STUDIO 613-761-7185<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On 5/27/13, Jason Cobill <jason.cobill@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>> > Don't let people get you down, I think you have something there.<BR>> ><BR>> > Here's an idea: Instead of perfecting the ink, instead modify the paper.<BR>> > Dead trees are tough stuff to dissolve, and aren't even that great as<BR>> > stencils. It soaks up paint and falls apart after a few uses. Why not use<BR>> > metal foil or a plastic (or sugar) sheet or something, and then print<BR>> > readily available water (or some kind of solvent) onto it? That way you end<BR>> > up with a way more robust stencilling template, and you can work with<BR>> > chemicals that aren't scary organic dissolvers.<BR>> ><BR>> > Another option: Print out onto regular paper, but cut the stencil in a<BR>> > two-stage process. Maybe you print phosphors onto the paper, and then warm<BR>> > it in a toaster oven to burn through the stencil. Or you print something<BR>> > onto plastic and freeze + shatter the stencil. (This doesn't sound really<BR>> > safe...)<BR>> ><BR>> > In my imagination, I can't see past the silkscreening process - maybe you<BR>> > run silkscreen-emulsion coated fabric through your printer and print<BR>> > something on it that blocks light (sunscreen!) - then expose it to sun/UV.<BR>> > The printed area doesn't set, and washes off leaving a fabric stencil.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Stephane Beauchamp-Kiss <<BR>> > stephane.beauchampkiss@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >> Good afternoon all,<BR>> >><BR>> >> I'm wondering if there's any members out there with a background in<BR>> >> chemistry who would be interested in exploring an idea/project with<BR>> >> me:<BR>> >><BR>> >> I have used laser cutting in the past to create stencils for various<BR>> >> art projects. This is definitely a popular application of this<BR>> >> technology (silkscreening/art/signs). However, I have found several<BR>> >> disadvantages: laser cutters aren't readily available, they are<BR>> >> expensive to own privately (especially in larger sizes), the cost of<BR>> >> services such as ponoko.com is still high, designs need to be vector<BR>> >> graphics, and there are limitations to the level of detail of the<BR>> >> design.<BR>> >><BR>> >> My idea: using standard inkjet printers/plotters to create stencils.<BR>> >> The idea would be to add a chemical to the ink in an inkjet cartridge,<BR>> >> such that it reacts with cellulose in the paper and dissolves it into<BR>> >> a relatively safe/environmentally friendly gas. NMMO is a chemical<BR>> >> that appear promising; it is used in industry for dissolving cellulose<BR>> >> and has a history of use as an additive to inkjet ink to increase the<BR>> >> intensity of colors on paper; in larger concentrations it may dissolve<BR>> >> the paper (though it may turn it into a liquid goop). Another<BR>> >> alternative is an paper pre-treatment that would react with another<BR>> >> chemical added to the inket cartridge. I recognize the dangers and<BR>> >> obstacles associated with this project. I have a safe, controlled area<BR>> >> in my home in Westboro to work on this project.<BR>> >><BR>> >> What I'm looking for is a partner in crime with some chemistry<BR>> >> background who would be interested in meeting and exploring this idea<BR>> >> with me. The long term goal is to develop/market a home DIY stenciling<BR>> >> kit for inkjet printers.<BR>> >><BR>> >> I welcome any comments on this projects, even critisism. To be honest,<BR>> >> I have received a fair bit already and I am aware that there may<BR>> >> simply be too many obstacles to make this one fly. Doesn't mean I<BR>> >> won't try ;)<BR>> >><BR>> >> Cheers!<BR>> >><BR>> >> Stephane Arthur Kiss, M.A.Sc<BR>> >> Producer: Art, Music, Design<BR>> >> ANTI STUDIOS.com<BR>> >> OFFICE 613-997-3015<BR>> >> STUDIO 613-761-7185<BR>> >><BR>> >> _______________________________________________<BR>> >> Lab mailing list<BR>> >> 1. subscribe http://artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/lab<BR>> >> 2. then email Lab@artengine.ca<BR>> >><BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 2<BR>> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 16:55:05 -0400<BR>> From: Mike Ayukawa <mike.ayukawa@gmail.com><BR>> To: Stephane Beauchamp-Kiss <stephane.beauchampkiss@gmail.com><BR>> Cc: lab <Lab@artengine.ca><BR>> Subject: Re: [Lab] Chemistry help: moding Inkjet Printers<BR>> Message-ID: <6FED5132-285D-42CB-A825-82C68B6A23CE@gmail.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<BR>> <BR>> How about a bacteria that would break down the cellulose? Like the one in the guts of a termite?<BR>> <BR>> On 2013-05-27, at 4:40 PM, Stephane Beauchamp-Kiss <stephane.beauchampkiss@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > Jason,<BR>> > <BR>> > Great ideas there. Thank you so much for the suggestions. I'm drawn to<BR>> > using standard paper and ink becasue the printers are calibrated to<BR>> > work with that and are most likely to print accurately. This is<BR>> > particularly true if I'm looking at something as large as a plotter<BR>> > for big stencils.<BR>> > <BR>> > The issue is safety + clean dissolving of the printed area.<BR>> > <BR>> > I know there are many chemicals that could do this done. Your<BR>> > suggestion of phosphorus + heat is a good idea, I'll need to explore<BR>> > this, but i'm concerned that with autoignition of paper, the burn will<BR>> > continue past the printed area and you won't end up with a clean<BR>> > stencil. Something to try!<BR>> > <BR>> > Photosensitive silkscreening is actually not an application I've<BR>> > tried, since I've never had a darkroom. You've got an interesting idea<BR>> > there, but I'd like to focus on the cut stencil idea. I did fail to<BR>> > explain that this is currently my main method for creating stencils -<BR>> > I'm skilled at hand cutting large, detailed stencils with an sharp<BR>> > blade over a lit surface. But, as you can imagine, this takes up huge<BR>> > time resources for complicated designs.<BR>> > <BR>> > What I would love to do is create a safe DIY kit for others to follow.<BR>> > Many chemicals that I know will do the trick are either dangerous (ie,<BR>> > calcium carbide in the ink then misting the paper with water would<BR>> > work but will release acetylne) or probably won't work right (NMMO).<BR>> > That's why I'm hoping someone on here with a chemistry background can<BR>> > really help me identify a chemical that would work nicely for this<BR>> > application.<BR>> > <BR>> > Any more ideas out there?<BR>> > <BR>> > Stephane Arthur Kiss, M.A.Sc<BR>> > Producer: Art, Music, Design<BR>> > ANTI STUDIOS.com<BR>> > OFFICE 613-997-3015<BR>> > STUDIO 613-761-7185<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > On 5/27/13, Jason Cobill <jason.cobill@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>> >> Don't let people get you down, I think you have something there.<BR>> >> <BR>> >> Here's an idea: Instead of perfecting the ink, instead modify the paper.<BR>> >> Dead trees are tough stuff to dissolve, and aren't even that great as<BR>> >> stencils. It soaks up paint and falls apart after a few uses. Why not use<BR>> >> metal foil or a plastic (or sugar) sheet or something, and then print<BR>> >> readily available water (or some kind of solvent) onto it? That way you end<BR>> >> up with a way more robust stencilling template, and you can work with<BR>> >> chemicals that aren't scary organic dissolvers.<BR>> >> <BR>> >> Another option: Print out onto regular paper, but cut the stencil in a<BR>> >> two-stage process. Maybe you print phosphors onto the paper, and then warm<BR>> >> it in a toaster oven to burn through the stencil. Or you print something<BR>> >> onto plastic and freeze + shatter the stencil. (This doesn't sound really<BR>> >> safe...)<BR>> >> <BR>> >> In my imagination, I can't see past the silkscreening process - maybe you<BR>> >> run silkscreen-emulsion coated fabric through your printer and print<BR>> >> something on it that blocks light (sunscreen!) - then expose it to sun/UV.<BR>> >> The printed area doesn't set, and washes off leaving a fabric stencil.<BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Stephane Beauchamp-Kiss <<BR>> >> stephane.beauchampkiss@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>> >> <BR>> >>> Good afternoon all,<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> I'm wondering if there's any members out there with a background in<BR>> >>> chemistry who would be interested in exploring an idea/project with<BR>> >>> me:<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> I have used laser cutting in the past to create stencils for various<BR>> >>> art projects. This is definitely a popular application of this<BR>> >>> technology (silkscreening/art/signs). However, I have found several<BR>> >>> disadvantages: laser cutters aren't readily available, they are<BR>> >>> expensive to own privately (especially in larger sizes), the cost of<BR>> >>> services such as ponoko.com is still high, designs need to be vector<BR>> >>> graphics, and there are limitations to the level of detail of the<BR>> >>> design.<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> My idea: using standard inkjet printers/plotters to create stencils.<BR>> >>> The idea would be to add a chemical to the ink in an inkjet cartridge,<BR>> >>> such that it reacts with cellulose in the paper and dissolves it into<BR>> >>> a relatively safe/environmentally friendly gas. NMMO is a chemical<BR>> >>> that appear promising; it is used in industry for dissolving cellulose<BR>> >>> and has a history of use as an additive to inkjet ink to increase the<BR>> >>> intensity of colors on paper; in larger concentrations it may dissolve<BR>> >>> the paper (though it may turn it into a liquid goop). Another<BR>> >>> alternative is an paper pre-treatment that would react with another<BR>> >>> chemical added to the inket cartridge. I recognize the dangers and<BR>> >>> obstacles associated with this project. I have a safe, controlled area<BR>> >>> in my home in Westboro to work on this project.<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> What I'm looking for is a partner in crime with some chemistry<BR>> >>> background who would be interested in meeting and exploring this idea<BR>> >>> with me. The long term goal is to develop/market a home DIY stenciling<BR>> >>> kit for inkjet printers.<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> I welcome any comments on this projects, even critisism. To be honest,<BR>> >>> I have received a fair bit already and I am aware that there may<BR>> >>> simply be too many obstacles to make this one fly. Doesn't mean I<BR>> >>> won't try ;)<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> Cheers!<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> Stephane Arthur Kiss, M.A.Sc<BR>> >>> Producer: Art, Music, Design<BR>> >>> ANTI STUDIOS.com<BR>> >>> OFFICE 613-997-3015<BR>> >>> STUDIO 613-761-7185<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> _______________________________________________<BR>> >>> Lab mailing list<BR>> >>> 1. subscribe http://artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/lab<BR>> >>> 2. then email Lab@artengine.ca<BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > Lab mailing list<BR>> > 1. subscribe http://artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/lab<BR>> > 2. then email Lab@artengine.ca<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 3<BR>> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 11:29:41 -0400<BR>> From: Jason Cobill <jason.cobill@gmail.com><BR>> To: lab <lab@artengine.ca><BR>> Subject: [Lab] 3-D Printing Robot, Like a Giant 3Doodler<BR>> Message-ID:<BR>> <CA+TeZoLwMf=rzmZ+yp=sGLPO4V8VAYgsBsf=Le_W71AzeCNDnQ@mail.gmail.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> <BR>> Development is moving pretty rapidly in 3D Printing - here's a robot<BR>> called "Mataerial" that prints big thick ribbons of plastic and drives<BR>> around, producing large-scale structures.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2013/05/anti-gravity-object-modeling-mataerial-is-a-robot-that-draws-sculptures-in-3d/<BR>> <BR>> Exciting stuff! I can only imagine how much plastic ribbon this thing<BR>> chews through. :)<BR>> <BR>> -Jason Cobill<BR>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> URL: <http://artengine.ca/pipermail/lab/attachments/20130528/4b06f774/attachment-0001.html><BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 4<BR>> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 11:51:30 -0400<BR>> From: Andrew Plumb <andrew@plumb.org><BR>> To: lab <lab@artengine.ca><BR>> Subject: Re: [Lab] 3-D Printing Robot, Like a Giant 3Doodler<BR>> Message-ID: <A30B2ED2-C16A-49A2-A967-AF872468E5F6@plumb.org><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> <BR>> It uses a thermosetting polymer, so it starts off as a liquid.<BR>> <BR>> Some details are at http://www.mataerial.com/blog-how-anti-gravity-object-modelling-surpasses-existing-3d-printing-methods/<BR>> <BR>> Andrew.<BR>> <BR>> On 2013-05-28, at 11:29 AM, Jason Cobill wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > <BR>> > Development is moving pretty rapidly in 3D Printing - here's a robot called "Mataerial" that prints big thick ribbons of plastic and drives around, producing large-scale structures.<BR>> > <BR>> > http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2013/05/anti-gravity-object-modeling-mataerial-is-a-robot-that-draws-sculptures-in-3d/<BR>> > <BR>> > Exciting stuff! I can only imagine how much plastic ribbon this thing chews through. :)<BR>> > <BR>> > -Jason Cobill<BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > Lab mailing list<BR>> > 1. subscribe http://artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/lab<BR>> > 2. then email Lab@artengine.ca<BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> <BR>> "The future is already here. It's just not very evenly distributed" -- William Gibson<BR>> <BR>> Me: http://clothbot.com/wiki/<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> URL: <http://artengine.ca/pipermail/lab/attachments/20130528/013889e2/attachment-0001.html><BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Lab mailing list<BR>> Lab@artengine.ca<BR>> http://artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/lab<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> End of Lab Digest, Vol 39, Issue 29<BR>> ***********************************<BR></DIV> </div></body>
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