I'm all for blasting the yellow and black beasts out of the air. I've had success with the "wasp decoy nest" they do seem to work. Now my experience has been that they don't tend to nest near a existing nest. If you have a problem already I don't think it will help.<br>
<br>Ok, back to blasting things...<br><br>There was a article last year about a group that was blasting mosquitoes with a laser. They had some novel imaging techniques.<br><a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/death-star-laser-zaps-mosqitoes-dead/">http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/death-star-laser-zaps-mosqitoes-dead/</a><br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 August 2011 17:44, Darcy Whyte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:darcy@siteware.com">darcy@siteware.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Those laser diodes aren't too expensive. <div><br></div><div>But I guess I need current drivers for 30.00 (that's 2 drivers).</div><div><br></div><div>I think I need a heat sink (45.00?) and perhaps a lens (5.00).</div>
<div><br></div><div><div>I think if it could work it could make for a pretty effective way of stopping the yellow jackets. It would just be a matter of putting this device near where they enter their nest and it would (in theory get rid of the community).</div>
<div><br></div><div>These pests are an ongoing problem so I am prepared to come up with a device even it if take some time and I have to learn a few things. As it stands every time I have to deal with the little buggers it takes plenty of time to assess, take precautions and use various means to combat them and follow up.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The only concern I have for the laser is it's dangerous for humans. I suppose if the lens were dropped then it would only do damage at close range. Perhaps there could be a tube they have to get through and the laser is in there and the beam can't get out. </div>
<div><br></div><div>This laser thing is worth looking into since it could have other applications...</div><div><br></div><div>I ordered a disposable camera for about 12 bucks with shipping. That might work too. </div><div>
<br></div><div>Either way I think I need a trigger to only deliver the punch when the animal is in the right area. (So the thing can run for a while on batteries). Like Michael says, if there is continuous charge on the grid (in the high voltage case), it will discharge on contact. Hmmm, that's sounding better all the time, all I have to do is keep the capacitor charged.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I suppose I might not get lucky and reuse this thing since they may not have an exclusive access point. It's just that this time they're in the roof and I can't use my usual means.</div><div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Paul & Andrea Mumby <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:themumbys@gmail.com" target="_blank">themumbys@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
They are diodes. You just give them constant voltage like an LED. Mind you some need to be pulsed instead of constant.<div><br></div><div>Here are some ebay links:</div><div><a href="http://www.ebay.ca/itm/LOT-5-808nm-high-power-burning-laser-diode-1-watt-/170681506053?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27bd691905" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.ca/itm/LOT-5-808nm-high-power-burning-laser-diode-1-watt-/170681506053?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27bd691905</a></div>
<div><a href="http://www.ebay.ca/itm/808nm-1000-mw-high-power-burning-laser-diode-1-watt-/180709833539?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a13253b43" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.ca/itm/808nm-1000-mw-high-power-burning-laser-diode-1-watt-/180709833539?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a13253b43</a></div>
<div><a href="http://www.ebay.ca/itm/50-808nm-1W-BLUE-DPSS-HIGH-POWER-BURNING-LASER-DIODE-/230664842498?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b4b22d02" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.ca/itm/50-808nm-1W-BLUE-DPSS-HIGH-POWER-BURNING-LASER-DIODE-/230664842498?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b4b22d02</a></div>
<div><a href="http://www.ebay.ca/itm/50-808nm-1W-YAG-IR-DPSS-HIGH-POWER-BURNING-LASER-DIODE-/230664835850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b4b2130a" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.ca/itm/50-808nm-1W-YAG-IR-DPSS-HIGH-POWER-BURNING-LASER-DIODE-/230664835850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b4b2130a</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>This one is a driver:</div><div><a href="http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1-Laser-Diode-Drivers-405nm-445nm-burning-808nm-650nm-/120767948391?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1e54a667" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1-Laser-Diode-Drivers-405nm-445nm-burning-808nm-650nm-/120767948391?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1e54a667</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Also to note you need to cool these diodes with something (normally they get mounted into an aluminum laser body, or into an aluminum heatsink to keep them cool)</div><div><br></div><div>They are only 1W so enough to burn paper, burn wood, or light small fires, but to an insect I suspect it would be devastating (especially if you could hit it with a bunch at once).</div>
<div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>- Paul</div></font><div><div></div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Darcy Whyte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:darcy@siteware.com" target="_blank">darcy@siteware.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I can't seem to find those lasers on ebay. Dont I need to build a power supply to drive those?<div><div></div><div><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Paul & Andrea Mumby <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:themumbys@gmail.com" target="_blank">themumbys@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Ooh, after hearing Aaron's suggestion about a laser (in the ultrasonic sensor thread). Why not use some cheap 1W laser diodes off ebay, make an arrangement that covers the opening so they have to fly through the beam. Would allow them to pass through unlike a mesh/screen and might be easier to catch them with (plus will allow the dead to fall out easier since no physical mesh there). Might need a few diodes but you can get like 50 packs for $20 on ebay from china lol...<div>
<br></div><div>It can be your anti-wasp-laser-defense-sysem ;)</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#888888">- Paul</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Tom Burns <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tom.i.burns@gmail.com" target="_blank">tom.i.burns@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I would probably swap out the batteries for a DC connection to a wall wart, but you may want to monitor the wall wart's temperature.<div>
<div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Darcy Whyte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:darcy@siteware.com" target="_blank">darcy@siteware.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br clear="all">You mean just tape the on button and put it near the entrance? I wonder how far that would go on one set of batteries?<div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Tom Burns <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tom.i.burns@gmail.com" target="_blank">tom.i.burns@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Instead of a full DIY what about those $10 "tennis racket"-esque electric mosquito killers? They might not be strong enough to kill bees but maybe just a capacitor change would be sufficient... <div><div></div>
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Darcy Whyte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:darcy@siteware.com" target="_blank">darcy@siteware.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Well the beez or going into the ceiling. So I figured putting a mesh across their entrance would work. If I zap them on the way up but not down then the'd just fall from there.<div><div></div><div><br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, mike Jans <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mjans@live.com" target="_blank">mjans@live.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr">
<font face="Tahoma" size="2">Make sure your design allows for the dead to fall down and not clog the mesh. From my experience with bees, when something gets in close to their front door, they'll investigate immediately. From the traffic in the video, that might become an issue. Perhaps make it adjustable. In the beginning, you might sacrifice some kills for smooth operation. Later, you adjust for a more thorough deathrate.</font><br>
<br><div style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt"><hr>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:42:24 -0400<br>From: <a href="mailto:krazatchu@hotmail.com" target="_blank">krazatchu@hotmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:lab@artengine.ca" target="_blank">lab@artengine.ca</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Lab] yellow jackets and electricity<div><div></div><div><br><br>
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You don't need to detect them at all...<br>
Just use two parallel meshes at a distance of about 3/4 the length
of a yellow jacket...<br>
With opposing charges on the meshes, the yellow jackets become the
trigger... <br>
<br>
This is not uncommon in Korea for mosquitoes...<br>
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Koolatron-Lentek-Biteshield-RZ02-Electronic/dp/B000H7CUSQ" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Koolatron-Lentek-Biteshield-RZ02-Electronic/dp/B000H7CUSQ</a><br>
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And be careful with camera flashes, they can really hurt (and
kill)... <br>
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Michael<br>
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On 8/29/2011 11:31 AM, Darcy Whyte wrote:
<blockquote>I don't think the Squirrels are reading my blog so we
should be okay.
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<div>I've already got some parts on order (including a disposable
camera to get a zapper out).</div>
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<div>I'm a little concerned about how I will detect when they are
in contact with the mesh. Perhaps just a motion detector. <br>
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<div>I just took some video of the little buggers: <a href="http://mambohead.com/2011/08/arduino-bug-zapper-yellow-jacket-removal/" target="_blank">http://mambohead.com/2011/08/arduino-bug-zapper-yellow-jacket-removal/</a></div>
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<div>As you can see, they're going up a hole in the
ceiling. </div>
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<div>The chemical idea might work but can it go uphill into
the ceiling? I guess I have to seal the hole after I get
rid of them. </div>
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<div>On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Tom
Burns <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tom.i.burns@gmail.com" target="_blank">tom.i.burns@gmail.com</a>></span>
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An Arduino-powered stun gun is not something I would want to
fall into the hands of a species as devious as the squirrels
;)
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<div>If it's not high powered enough, and you're not against
using chemicals, I dealt with a nasty bee (my fiancee is
allergic) problem in my backyard using Raid "One Shot"
wasp killer.</div>
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<div>Tom</div>
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<div>On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Darcy Whyte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:darcy@siteware.com" target="_blank">darcy@siteware.com</a>></span>
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Hi Richard,
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<div>Thanks for the note.</div>
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<div>I figured keeping a coil charged might be
expensive on the batteries. Seems the next
place to go is keeping a capacitor charged.
As I mentioned in the blog post, a
disposable camera may have enough hardware
to do this. May not be as high a voltage but
it might work. </div>
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<div>So it just comes down to triggering the
high voltage thing. </div>
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<div>I'm all ears on how to trigger it but I
figured I could just use an arduino because
the labor content may be lower. There might
be something that can save some pennies but
I think for the pain a community of yellow
jackets causes, it's okay if it uses an
arduino for a couple days.</div>
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<div>Even if the Squirrels steal it.</div>
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2011 at 8:59 PM, Richard Guy Briggs <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rgb@tricolour.net" target="_blank">rgb@tricolour.net</a>></span>
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<div>On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:32:19PM
-0700, Darcy Whyte wrote:<br>
> What about this angle:<br>
><br>
> A motion detector of some sort.<br>
> a coil<br>
> a relay<br>
> a 6v battery<br>
> a wire grid over the opening<br>
><br>
> When a yellow jacket is detected
we charge the coil and then let it<br>
> discharge through the grid.<br>
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I think the idea is to keep it charged
so that it does its work on<br>
contact.<br>
<div><br>
> The relay is to isolate an
arduino from the coil charging
action...<br>
><br>
> What sort of coil would I need?<br>
><br>
> If this will work at all....<br>
><br>
> Also, what about detecting the
bug when it touches the grid? I
suppose the<br>
> problem with that is I'd need to
isolate it from the arduino somehow
since<br>
> the high voltage will zap the
arduino too....<br>
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Does it really need an arduino, or just
a wired power supply and a way<br>
of forcing all entering and exiting
wasps of touching the charged wires?<br>
<div><br>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 12:58 PM,
Darcy Whyte <<a href="mailto:darcy@siteware.com" target="_blank">darcy@siteware.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > Perhaps this can be DIYed:<br>
> > <a href="http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page1421.html" target="_blank">http://www.bugspray.com/catalog/products/page1421.html</a><br>
> ><br>
> > I could then just hang the
thing near the hole and place some
electrodes<br>
> > right there.<br>
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I've seen one of those at a friend's
cottage. It is only $10, so it<br>
might be worth just buying one to find
out how it works and adapt it for<br>
automatic use with your wasp nest. We
had one in the floor of our<br>
balcony. It was a nuisance...<br>
<br>
You might want to adapt it with very
fine wires brushing around the hole<br>
(but if the wire is too fine, it might
fuse instead of delivering the<br>
intended shock to an insect...)<br>
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> > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at
12:54 PM, Darcy Whyte <<a href="mailto:darcy@siteware.com" target="_blank">darcy@siteware.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> >> Let's say I have a nasty
yellow jacket nest that's starting to
cause<br>
> >> problems.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I've dealt with these in
the past when the next is very exposed
but this<br>
> >> time I only have access
to an opening about an inch where they
are coming<br>
> >> and going.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Has anybody ever tried
to put some sort of zapper near an
entrance? Seems<br>
> >> that should be an easy
way to get them.<br>
> >><br>
> >> A trap seems to take
long because they only go into it once
in a while so<br>
> >> it takes a long while.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I figure if I put a
couple of electrodes near the hole,
they could<br>
> >> complete the gap.<br>
> >><br>
> >> If this would work, I
wonder how many bugs a couple of
D-cells could zap?<br>
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