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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The seller was chengfang1234. Yep opened up a problem report, no answer. Next step is dispute. They also sold me a second-hand motor and said it was new.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I paid $129.99, which included the stepper motors.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> darcy.whyte@gmail.com [mailto:darcy.whyte@gmail.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Darcy Whyte<br><b>Sent:</b> June-06-11 6:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> John Nicol<br><b>Cc:</b> lab@artengine.ca<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Marauder project (around 400 bucks and counting)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I put power on it and it works fine. I'm running it at 24v. I guess we'll find out how long it runs for and how well it runs under load. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you bought it in ebay, you probably could have opened a problem report in ebay and they may respond to that. I think you can make a dispute in ebay too. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You mean yours isn't working? What seller did you get it from?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:01 PM, John Nicol <<a href="mailto:john_nicol@hotmail.com">john_nicol@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi Darcy,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The CNCZone forum listed is specifically that board you have in the photo, not Chinese CNC controllers in general. It applies to the three and four axis controllers based on the TB6560. I have the same three axis one that you show in the photo purchased of eBay about two months ago. I am honestly surprised that it works for you, the design means that the motors share a ground with your LPT port, so there is no isolation between your PC and the motors, but as long as the voltages are kept low you shouldn’t blow the PC up. That is an option though. Never run it over ~34 V or you <u>will</u> blow the stepper drivers and risk the LPT port. The opto-isolators are also wired wrong in this design and there is significant noise on the stepper driver IC clock that means a loss of steps for most people. I run it at 24V.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I have analysed the design as well (being an electronics tech in a previous life) and can say that I would not recommend that design. I also tried to contact the company I bought it off eBay from and they have yet to respond. There are a few companies in Hong Kong and China that seem to deal in these boards. The fixes that are listed in the CNCZone forum will work up to a point and a few have reported good progress. I have found that I am losing too many steps and lots of hair to continue with that board. I might try one more suggested fix, which is to bypass the opto-isolator on the clock and go straight from the LPT pin to try to get a clean signal.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I have seen some newer boards out on eBay that might address these issues, so looking forward to some reviews on CNCZone before jumping that way again. Probably just go with HobbyCNC for now. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The big caveat with the above is that if it works for you, then it works and that is a good thing. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I am just missing electrical, everything else is done and now shopping around for alternate controllers.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>John</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:darcy.whyte@gmail.com" target="_blank">darcy.whyte@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:darcy.whyte@gmail.com" target="_blank">darcy.whyte@gmail.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Darcy Whyte<br><b>Sent:</b> June-06-11 5:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> John Nicol<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:lab@artengine.ca" target="_blank">lab@artengine.ca</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Marauder project (around 400 bucks and counting)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br clear=all>The cnc controllers work great and the price is right. I doubt the issue people spoke about on cnczone is about all chinese cnc controllers. There will have been an incident or incidents with a specific one. I had problems the the cnc controllr on a mill I bought in china but they replaced the electronics. But that's a different piece of hardware. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Eventually there will be a bill of materials with lots of different options. People can spend as much as they want on controllers.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What are you missing for your CNC project? Just electrical?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:02 PM, John Nicol <<a href="mailto:john_nicol@hotmail.com" target="_blank">john_nicol@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Marauder project (around 400 bucks and counting) (Darcy Whyte)<br><br>=====<br><br>Hi Darcy,<br><br>Nice to meet your virtual acquaintance! First time posting in the mailing<br>list so hopefully I don't screw it up too badly.<br><br>I went to your website briefly and saw the electronics proposed. I would<br>stay away from that particular Chinese design and manufacturer. I purchased<br>a 3-axis board + NEMA 17 motors off eBay and have had nothing but problems.<br>There is even a forum discussion on CNCZone about these. The design is<br>flawed.<br><br><a href="http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general_electronics_discussion/110986-how_i_fi%0d%0axed_my_chinese.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general_electronics_discussion/110986-how_i_fi<br>xed_my_chinese.html</a><br><br>There are suggested fixes in the forum discussion and I have applied these<br>(and learnt how to solder SMD at the same time, so it was worthwhile from<br>that point of view), but although it improves the noise, it is missing steps<br>all over the place. A piece of crap. I made the CNC described in<br>Instructables here:<br><br><a href="http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Three-Axis-CNC-Machine-Cheaply%0d%0a-and-/" target="_blank">http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Three-Axis-CNC-Machine-Cheaply<br>-and-/</a><br><br>I have a picture of what I have made and can email separately. All up, I<br>guess it cost me $600 so far. It would work quite well I am guessing if I<br>had a "real" controller board. I am thinking of getting a kit from hobbyCNC<br>and buying some 6 wire Nema motors from eBay to make it all work. Currently<br>I have a dremel, but will upgrade that to a trim router.<br><br>Regards,<br>John<br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Lab mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Lab@artengine.ca" target="_blank">Lab@artengine.ca</a><br><a href="http://artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/lab" target="_blank">http://artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/lab</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>