[Lab] CNC milling on kickstarter

Stephane Arthur Kiss stephane.beauchampkiss at gmail.com
Fri Jan 8 18:34:28 EST 2016

Hi Henri,

My bad, I misread the original posters name! Also wanted to mention NYC CNC
is a nice YouTube channel that helped get me caught up with the machinists
at my work (coming from an engineering/design background). The videos can
get a bit long, but there's some real gems in those early videos.


On Jan 8, 2016 6:08 PM, "Stephane Arthur Kiss" <
stephane.beauchampkiss at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Richard,
> If you haven't already, you'll definitely want to check out Taig and
> Sherline, as well as Tormach 440 (getting up there in price). You won't get
> the same precision or power of a 6040 cnc router like you would on these
> machines. I hate to sound pessimistic, but there's very few innovations to
> be made in the world of CNC mills and Kickstarter wouldn't be where I'd be
> shopping for one. There's already lots of great options by established
> companies at many form factors and prices. A warning though: mills get
> expensive if you want to do any serious machining...you'll spend alot of
> money on collets, end mills, vises, setup, etc. If you're looking for more
> DIY project and nothing too complex, the Chinese CNC routers are a great
> option.
> Shoot me an email if you'd like to chat a bit more about mills.
> Cheers
>      Stephane
> On Jan 8, 2016 5:34 PM, "Richard Sloan" <themindfactory at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah sorry I thought the whole thing was around $1000 :-) opps, now that
>> I look at it again, nope, but still great value for the $
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at inventorartist.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Why don't you kickstart your shapoko? Then everyone will want it.
>>> If anybody's interested in CNC I'd invite you to come and check out the
>>> CNC613 machine we've got over at Maker Space North. That's partly why I got
>>> it. To increase the community awareness of this technology and increase
>>> people's confidence in buying them. Also to let people try it to evaluate
>>> their own needs (and increase their aptitude at using CNC)...
>>> I think these cheap Chinese machines are the real entry level. You want
>>> something that has a low fiddle/tinker factor and high utility (larger
>>> cutting areas). Like Dave says they come in lots of formats. 3020, 3040,
>>> 6040, 6090 (that' cm, so a 6040's like the Artengine/Library laser but is
>>> wider).
>>> I think Richard was just referring to the mechanical side. I think the
>>> chassis alone was 1100US. But that's still economically sound... Yeah,
>>> there were a few more parts after that. The stuff you mentioned and of
>>> course other odds and ends like motor mounts, stepper couplers, wire and
>>> power supplies 'n stuff. And the controller pc (one was donated but I wound
>>> up with one of my own with mach3), I think I paid 230 for the mach3
>>> licence... probably other stuff I'm not thinking about.. oh, and I drank a
>>> bottle of rum while doing some of the assembly...
>>> Yeah, these cheap Chinese machines are useful and affordable. Lasers are
>>> getting there too but is still a bit messier (the more affordable ones are
>>> very small cutting area and have messy water plumbing). And when they fail
>>> it's a lot more spooky to figure out what's up. Not that they're not great
>>> because they are. I think anybody serious needs both since they both are
>>> very useful.
>>> I just figured out the other day that my first CNC is now five years
>>> old. Mine was purchased far enough back that the Chinese electrical was a
>>> bit iffy. In my case, I wound up replacing with a four axis Xylotex. That
>>> cost around 500 (the kit, new motor couplers (imperial to metric), motor
>>> mounts, wires 'n stuff). In retrospect that was a good move anyway as the
>>> Xylotex are pretty sturdy. That all happened right at the beginning in fact
>>> the initial electrical was DOA. Michael Grant helped me get it going but in
>>> the end the electrical had a lot of issues so the Xylotex sure solved that.
>>> It's run like a charm since. Even with that it was a cool deal. My supplier
>>> sent me parts to repair the electrical so in theory I have that as a spare
>>> electrical for a 6040 (motors with metric shafts)....
>>> Since there there's been the following maintenance over the five years:
>>> -spindal motor fell apart. This repair was less than five bucks. I got
>>> some threaded rod at Ottawa Fastener and replaced the longitudinal bolts
>>> holding the motor together.
>>> -just the other day on of the bearings on the long ballscrew went. That
>>> was less than 5. This wasn't wear. A tension was set a little off (I think)
>>> and the bearing interacted with a neighbouring part and it's metal cover
>>> got pushed into the balls and consumed.
>>> -replace spindle brushes. This was free as it came with extra brushes. I
>>> guess I gotta order some of those.
>>> I should mention that I've used that machine a fair amount. I'm not
>>> expecting anything to go for a while, probably a set of brushes again and
>>> the next set after that I'll probably debate replacing spindle bearings or
>>> upgrading the spindle to a brushless. But there's no sign of runout on the
>>> spindle now.
>>> I should mention you can buy these things turn key. The CNC613 was
>>> purchased as a custom machine since I already have two drawers full of
>>> steppers, controllers, power supplies and other stuff from cancelled and
>>> unfinished projects. So my punishment for buying so much junk was that I'd
>>> have to assemble a machine. But I got a lot of support and help so it came
>>> together okay.
>>> At the rate we're going there are already a couple of people that have
>>> purchased machines in this class that are pleased with them (Adrian,
>>> Chris)... And there're a few people who are almost ready to buy as they've
>>> been practicing on the CNC613 and are learning about what they need (and
>>> don't need)... people like Doug, Dave and a few other's that have been
>>> talking.
>>> --
>>> Darcy Whyte
>>> Art+ inventorArtist.com <http://inventorartist.com/> | Aviation
>>> rubber-power.com
>>> Contact: darcy at inventorArtist.com | 613-563-3634 by appointment (no
>>> text)
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Dave Hunt <dave at huntgang.com> wrote:
>>>> I don't like my original Shapeoko for a few reasons.  1) lot's of
>>>> backlash as it is belt driven, 2) it ran a dremel and not a real spindle,
>>>> 3) the GRBL Controller was garbage.  4) wouldn't even think of cutting any
>>>> metal on it... Anyone want to buy it?  ;)
>>>> Darcy could clarify but the CNC at MSN was $1,000 for just the frame.
>>>> He also purchased a brush less spindle with Collet and already had the
>>>> steppers and the controllers.
>>>> I think that they are asking too much for this mill in question and for
>>>> the reasons mentioned re-kistarter campaigns I wouldn't buy one.  I'd look
>>>> at the chineese machines like 3020, 6040 or larger 6090.  These are
>>>> relatively proven machines and are great for cutting woods and mild
>>>> steel/aluminum etc.  In fact I would love to move into a 6090.
>>>> Dave
>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Richard Sloan <themindfactory at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> Should be there Sunday if you want to <http://drop.in>drop in 1pm
>>>>> wow. that sounds amazing!
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Henri Kuschkowitz
>>>>> On January 8, 2016 at 2:13:26 PM, Richard Sloan (
>>>>> themindfactory at gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>> I do agree NOT to buy unproven CNC of any form!!!!
>>>>> MSN unit was by lt with all Chinese parts but we knew what we were
>>>>> doing and it turn out very nice! About 1000 bucks but all top notch parts
>>>>> 6040
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2016 2:10 PM, "Tom Burns" <tom.i.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I've been tweaking mine for some months, but I'd admit I've run it
>>>>>> pretty lightly thus far.
>>>>>> I need to get to makerspace north sometime soon!
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Richard Sloan <
>>>>>> themindfactory at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Interesting I used a shapeoko 1 and it was garbage, it was Dave
>>>>>>> hunts and he will also atest, not good :-( checkout the cnc that Darcy and
>>>>>>> others put together at maker space North it work very nicely!
>>>>>>> On Jan 8, 2016 12:19 PM, "Tom Burns" <tom.i.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm an owner of two 3d printing kickstarters which are months/years
>>>>>>>> late to ship (genesis uno, peachy printer), and the owner of a CNC
>>>>>>>> kickstarter that took drastically longer to ship a drastically inferior
>>>>>>>> product (mydiycnc, garbage).
>>>>>>>>  I'd definitely recommend choosing a cnc from a proven community
>>>>>>>> that already exists, like the inventables shapeoko, x-carve, carvey, or the
>>>>>>>> openbuilds OX.
>>>>>>>> (I now own a shapeoko 1 which I am happy with)
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Henri Kuschkowitz <
>>>>>>>> henri.kuschkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hey gang,
>>>>>>>>> Happy new year!
>>>>>>>>> Anyone seen this yet and can give me some insight if this is
>>>>>>>>> something worth considering?
>>>>>>>>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1029697729/evo-one-desktop-cnc-mill-made-for-anyone?ref=video
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Henri Kuschkowitz
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