[Lab] CNC milling on kickstarter

Richard Sloan themindfactory at gmail.com
Fri Jan 8 17:31:45 EST 2016

Yeah sorry I thought the whole thing was around $1000 :-) opps, now that I
look at it again, nope, but still great value for the $

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Darcy Whyte <darcy at inventorartist.com>

> Why don't you kickstart your shapoko? Then everyone will want it.
> If anybody's interested in CNC I'd invite you to come and check out the
> CNC613 machine we've got over at Maker Space North. That's partly why I got
> it. To increase the community awareness of this technology and increase
> people's confidence in buying them. Also to let people try it to evaluate
> their own needs (and increase their aptitude at using CNC)...
> I think these cheap Chinese machines are the real entry level. You want
> something that has a low fiddle/tinker factor and high utility (larger
> cutting areas). Like Dave says they come in lots of formats. 3020, 3040,
> 6040, 6090 (that' cm, so a 6040's like the Artengine/Library laser but is
> wider).
> I think Richard was just referring to the mechanical side. I think the
> chassis alone was 1100US. But that's still economically sound... Yeah,
> there were a few more parts after that. The stuff you mentioned and of
> course other odds and ends like motor mounts, stepper couplers, wire and
> power supplies 'n stuff. And the controller pc (one was donated but I wound
> up with one of my own with mach3), I think I paid 230 for the mach3
> licence... probably other stuff I'm not thinking about.. oh, and I drank a
> bottle of rum while doing some of the assembly...
> Yeah, these cheap Chinese machines are useful and affordable. Lasers are
> getting there too but is still a bit messier (the more affordable ones are
> very small cutting area and have messy water plumbing). And when they fail
> it's a lot more spooky to figure out what's up. Not that they're not great
> because they are. I think anybody serious needs both since they both are
> very useful.
> I just figured out the other day that my first CNC is now five years old.
> Mine was purchased far enough back that the Chinese electrical was a bit
> iffy. In my case, I wound up replacing with a four axis Xylotex. That cost
> around 500 (the kit, new motor couplers (imperial to metric), motor mounts,
> wires 'n stuff). In retrospect that was a good move anyway as the Xylotex
> are pretty sturdy. That all happened right at the beginning in fact the
> initial electrical was DOA. Michael Grant helped me get it going but in the
> end the electrical had a lot of issues so the Xylotex sure solved that.
> It's run like a charm since. Even with that it was a cool deal. My supplier
> sent me parts to repair the electrical so in theory I have that as a spare
> electrical for a 6040 (motors with metric shafts)....
> Since there there's been the following maintenance over the five years:
> -spindal motor fell apart. This repair was less than five bucks. I got
> some threaded rod at Ottawa Fastener and replaced the longitudinal bolts
> holding the motor together.
> -just the other day on of the bearings on the long ballscrew went. That
> was less than 5. This wasn't wear. A tension was set a little off (I think)
> and the bearing interacted with a neighbouring part and it's metal cover
> got pushed into the balls and consumed.
> -replace spindle brushes. This was free as it came with extra brushes. I
> guess I gotta order some of those.
> I should mention that I've used that machine a fair amount. I'm not
> expecting anything to go for a while, probably a set of brushes again and
> the next set after that I'll probably debate replacing spindle bearings or
> upgrading the spindle to a brushless. But there's no sign of runout on the
> spindle now.
> I should mention you can buy these things turn key. The CNC613 was
> purchased as a custom machine since I already have two drawers full of
> steppers, controllers, power supplies and other stuff from cancelled and
> unfinished projects. So my punishment for buying so much junk was that I'd
> have to assemble a machine. But I got a lot of support and help so it came
> together okay.
> At the rate we're going there are already a couple of people that have
> purchased machines in this class that are pleased with them (Adrian,
> Chris)... And there're a few people who are almost ready to buy as they've
> been practicing on the CNC613 and are learning about what they need (and
> don't need)... people like Doug, Dave and a few other's that have been
> talking.
> --
> Darcy Whyte
> Art+ inventorArtist.com <http://inventorartist.com/> | Aviation
> rubber-power.com
> Contact: darcy at inventorArtist.com | 613-563-3634 by appointment (no text)
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Dave Hunt <dave at huntgang.com> wrote:
>> I don't like my original Shapeoko for a few reasons.  1) lot's of
>> backlash as it is belt driven, 2) it ran a dremel and not a real spindle,
>> 3) the GRBL Controller was garbage.  4) wouldn't even think of cutting any
>> metal on it... Anyone want to buy it?  ;)
>> Darcy could clarify but the CNC at MSN was $1,000 for just the frame.  He
>> also purchased a brush less spindle with Collet and already had the
>> steppers and the controllers.
>> I think that they are asking too much for this mill in question and for
>> the reasons mentioned re-kistarter campaigns I wouldn't buy one.  I'd look
>> at the chineese machines like 3020, 6040 or larger 6090.  These are
>> relatively proven machines and are great for cutting woods and mild
>> steel/aluminum etc.  In fact I would love to move into a 6090.
>> Dave
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Richard Sloan <themindfactory at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Should be there Sunday if you want to <http://drop.in>drop in 1pm
>>> wow. that sounds amazing!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Henri Kuschkowitz
>>> On January 8, 2016 at 2:13:26 PM, Richard Sloan (
>>> themindfactory at gmail.com) wrote:
>>> I do agree NOT to buy unproven CNC of any form!!!!
>>> MSN unit was by lt with all Chinese parts but we knew what we were doing
>>> and it turn out very nice! About 1000 bucks but all top notch parts 6040
>>> On Jan 8, 2016 2:10 PM, "Tom Burns" <tom.i.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I've been tweaking mine for some months, but I'd admit I've run it
>>>> pretty lightly thus far.
>>>> I need to get to makerspace north sometime soon!
>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Richard Sloan <themindfactory at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> Interesting I used a shapeoko 1 and it was garbage, it was Dave hunts
>>>>> and he will also atest, not good :-( checkout the cnc that Darcy and others
>>>>> put together at maker space North it work very nicely!
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2016 12:19 PM, "Tom Burns" <tom.i.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm an owner of two 3d printing kickstarters which are months/years
>>>>>> late to ship (genesis uno, peachy printer), and the owner of a CNC
>>>>>> kickstarter that took drastically longer to ship a drastically inferior
>>>>>> product (mydiycnc, garbage).
>>>>>>  I'd definitely recommend choosing a cnc from a proven community that
>>>>>> already exists, like the inventables shapeoko, x-carve, carvey, or the
>>>>>> openbuilds OX.
>>>>>> (I now own a shapeoko 1 which I am happy with)
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Henri Kuschkowitz <
>>>>>> henri.kuschkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey gang,
>>>>>>> Happy new year!
>>>>>>> Anyone seen this yet and can give me some insight if this is
>>>>>>> something worth considering?
>>>>>>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1029697729/evo-one-desktop-cnc-mill-made-for-anyone?ref=video
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Henri Kuschkowitz
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