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Fri Oct 15 15:05:20 EDT 2010


Aaron

On 2010-11-09, at 1:21 PM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the info Michael.  Makes sense it'd be pretty hard.  It's also
possible that the thing will route fine enough for some surface mount
components?

Not sure about the software Jean-Marc, I'd suggest asking the creators both
questions.

Cheers,
Tom

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:15 PM, krazatchu . <krazatchu at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Etching first with toner transfer and drilling after with NC file doesn't
> work well...
> The laser print for toner transfer isn't very accurate, I made up a test
> page and tried a few different printers to the same effect...
> Most had non-linear in-accuracy...
>
> Michael
>
> > Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:14:16 -0500
> > From: jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com
> > To: tom.i.burns at gmail.com
> > CC: lab at artengine.ca
>
> > Subject: Re: [Lab] Makerbot and PCB fabrication
> >
> > sorry for asking like 2000 questions lol but I am thinking of building
> > I hate drilling the holes lol. Do you know what software they are
> > using?
> >
> > Jean-Marc Le Blanc
> > ---
> >
> > "Do you pine for the nice days of Minix-1.1, when men were men and
> > wrote their own device drivers?" Linus Torvalds
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Yes, the 9.1 or as close to it as those resources will get us.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Jean-Marc LeBlanc
> > > <jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> is the mantis the one you are building?
> > >>
> > >> Jean-Marc Le Blanc
> > >> ---
> > >>
> > >> "Do you pine for the nice days of Minix-1.1, when men were men and
> > >> wrote their own device drivers?" Linus Torvalds
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> > BOM: http://makeyourbot.org/local--files/mantis9-1/bom-9.xls
> > >> > DXF (haven't opened this but I'm assuming it's the design file for
> all
> > >> > wood
> > >> > parts):
> > >> > http://makeyourbot.wdfiles.com/local--files/mantis9-1/mantis9.1.dxf
> > >> > video series on how to build it:
> http://makeyourbot.org/mantis9-build
> > >> >
> > >> > Tom
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Jean-Marc LeBlanc
> > >> > <jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> yeah I think that is more what I would do.
> > >> >> does he have a right up on how he made it?  the little motor is it
> a
> > >> >> drill motor or one that you find in RC cars?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Jean-Marc Le Blanc
> > >> >> ---
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Do you pine for the nice days of Minix-1.1, when men were men and
> > >> >> wrote their own device drivers?" Linus Torvalds
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Tom Burns <tom.i.burns at gmail.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> > No idea.  You'd have to ask the creators.  You could always etch
> the
> > >> >> > boards
> > >> >> > with a resist-ink method and drill the holes with the bot
> afterwards,
> > >> >> > but
> > >> >> > you'd obviously have to take care to align it properly.  Maybe
> drill
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > holes first then line up the transfer with the holes?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > For <$100 I don't expect this CNC to do everything but it's a
> huge
> > >> >> > step
> > >> >> > forward from not having one at all.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Tom
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Jean-Marc LeBlanc
> > >> >> > <jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> think that would be precise enough to make traces for surface
> mount?
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Jean-Marc Le Blanc
> > >> >> >> ---
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> "Do you pine for the nice days of Minix-1.1, when men were men
> and
> > >> >> >> wrote their own device drivers?" Linus Torvalds
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Tom Burns <
> tom.i.burns at gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >> > Yup!
> > >> >> >> >
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlDpZl-QIAA&feature=player_embedded
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Tom
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Jean-Marc LeBlanc
> > >> >> >> > <jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Does this actualy make the traces too?
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Jean-Marc Le Blanc
> > >> >> >> >> ---
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> "Do you pine for the nice days of Minix-1.1, when men were
> men
> > >> >> >> >> and
> > >> >> >> >> wrote their own device drivers?" Linus Torvalds
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Tom Burns <
> tom.i.burns at gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> > PCB fabrication is why I'm gathering people interested in
> > >> >> >> >> > building
> > >> >> >> >> > a
> > >> >> >> >> > very
> > >> >> >> >> > small, cheap CNC.  For under $100 you can get all the parts
> to
> > >> >> >> >> > build
> > >> >> >> >> > it.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Read more here:
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > http://makeyourbot.org/mantis9-1
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Currently the plan is to begin ordering parts as of
> January.
> > >> >> >> >> > If
> > >> >> >> >> > you
> > >> >> >> >> > want to
> > >> >> >> >> > buy the parts let me know and I'll contact you when we're
> ready
> > >> >> >> >> > to
> > >> >> >> >> > place
> > >> >> >> >> > an
> > >> >> >> >> > order.  Many of the parts in the BOM only have McMaster
> > >> >> >> >> > references
> > >> >> >> >> > so
> > >> >> >> >> > the
> > >> >> >> >> > current plan is to ship them to NY and pick them up at the
> UPS
> > >> >> >> >> > store
> > >> >> >> >> > (as
> > >> >> >> >> > mentioned on list previously).
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Cheers,
> > >> >> >> >> > Tom
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Andrew Plumb <
> andrew at plumb.org>
> > >> >> >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> It can be done (see
> http://wiki.makerbot.com/makerbot-mill),
> > >> >> >> >> >> but
> > >> >> >> >> >> you'll
> > >> >> >> >> >> need to use some sort of sacrificial layer and a solid
> steel
> > >> >> >> >> >> plate
> > >> >> >> >> >> underneath so you don't destroy the XY platform.
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> Andrew.
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> On 2010-11-09, at 9:19 AM, Jean-Marc LeBlanc wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Hey guys,
> > >> >> >> >> >> > I am getting annoyed with drilling my holes in my pcb
> boards
> > >> >> >> >> >> > and
> > >> >> >> >> >> > and
> > >> >> >> >> >> > tining them. I was wondering if some one knew if this
> could
> > >> >> >> >> >> > be
> > >> >> >> >> >> > done
> > >> >> >> >> >> > with the maker bot?  If the maker bot follows standard
> CNC
> > >> >> >> >> >> > commands
> > >> >> >> >> >> > this would not be too hard I suppose to program.  I
> think It
> > >> >> >> >> >> > was
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Andrew who said he put a dremel head on his maker bot.
>  As
> > >> >> >> >> >> > for
> > >> >> >> >> >> > tining,
> > >> >> >> >> >> > maybe put a hot plate on the base and melt some tin on
> the
> > >> >> >> >> >> > base?
> > >> >> >> >> >> >  the
> > >> >> >> >> >> > tining is not too important thought. I don't usually do
> that
> > >> >> >> >> >> > step
> > >> >> >> >> >> > since its long and I don't find it worth it.  Maybe an
> > >> >> >> >> >> > alternative?
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Jean-Marc Le Blanc
> > >> >> >> >> >> > ---
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> > "Do you pine for the nice days of Minix-1.1, when men
> were
> > >> >> >> >> >> > men
> > >> >> >> >> >> > and
> > >> >> >> >> >> > wrote their own device drivers?" Linus Torvalds
> > >> >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Lab mailing list
> > >> >> >> >> >> > Lab at artengine.ca
> > >> >> >> >> >> > http://artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/lab
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> --
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> "The future is already here.  It's just not very evenly
> > >> >> >> >> >> distributed"
> > >> >> >> >> >> --
> > >> >> >> >> >> William Gibson
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> Me: http://clothbot.com/wiki/
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> >> >> >> Lab mailing list
> > >> >> >> >> >> Lab at artengine.ca
> > >> >> >> >> >> http://artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/lab
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Lab at artengine.ca
> > http://artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/lab
>
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<html><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>From the video, it looks like they are=
 using EMC2 on Linux.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Aaron=A0<br><br>On 2010-1=
1-09, at 1:21 PM, Tom Burns &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom.i.burns at gmail.com">to=
m.i.burns at gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Thanks for the info Mic=
hael.=A0 Makes sense it&#39;d be pretty hard.=A0 It&#39;s also possible tha=
t the thing will route fine enough for some surface mount components?<br><b=
r>
Not sure about the software Jean-Marc, I&#39;d suggest asking the creators =
both questions.<br>

<br>Cheers,<br>Tom<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at=
 1:15 PM, krazatchu . <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:krazatchu at hot=
mail.com"><a href=3D"mailto:krazatchu at hotmail.com">krazatchu at hotmail.com</a=
></a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">





<div>
<font style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"=
font-size: 10pt;">Etching first with toner transfer and drilling after with=
 NC file doesn&#39;t work well...<br>

The laser print for toner transfer isn&#39;t very accurate, I made up a tes=
t
 page and tried a few different printers to the same effect...<br>

Most had non-linear in-accuracy... <br>

<br>

Michael</span></font><br><br>&gt; Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:14:16 -0500<br>&=
gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><=
a href=3D"mailto:jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com">jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com</a>=
</a><br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:tom.i.burns at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><a href=
=3D"mailto:tom.i.burns at gmail.com">tom.i.burns at gmail.com</a></a><br>

&gt; CC: <a href=3D"mailto:lab at artengine.ca" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"m=
ailto:lab at artengine.ca">lab at artengine.ca</a></a><div class=3D"im"><br>&gt; =
Subject: Re: [Lab] Makerbot and PCB fabrication<br>&gt; <br></div><div><div=
></div>
<div class=3D"h5">&gt; sorry for asking like 2000 questions lol but I am th=
inking of building<br>

&gt; I hate drilling the holes lol.  Do you know what software they are<br>=
&gt; using?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Jean-Marc Le Blanc<br>&gt; ---<br>&gt; <br>&gt=
; &quot;Do you pine for the nice days of Minix-1.1, when men were men and<b=
r>


&gt; wrote their own device drivers?&quot; Linus Torvalds<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =
<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Tom Burns &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:tom.i.burns at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto=
:tom.i.burns at gmail.com">tom.i.burns at gmail.com</a></a>&gt; wrote:<br>


&gt; &gt; Yes, the 9.1 or as close to it as those resources will get us.<br=
>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Tom<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 a=
t 12:56 PM, Jean-Marc LeBlanc<br>&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeanmarc.l=
eblanc at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:jeanmarc.leblanc at gmai=
l.com">jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com</a></a>&gt; wrote:<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; is the mantis the one you are building?<br>&=
gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Jean-Marc Le Blanc<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; ---<br>&g=
t; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;Do you pine for the nice days of Minix-1=
.1, when men were men and<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote their own device drivers?&quot; Linus Torvalds<br>&gt; =
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt=
; On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Tom Burns &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom.i.bu=
rns at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:tom.i.burns at gmail.com">t=
om.i.burns at gmail.com</a></a>&gt; wrote:<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; BOM: <a href=3D"http://makeyourbot.org/local--files/mant=
is9-1/bom-9.xls" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"http://makeyourbot.org/local-=
-files/mantis9-1/bom-9.xls">http://makeyourbot.org/local--files/mantis9-1/b=
om-9.xls</a></a><br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; DXF (haven&#39;t opened this but I&#39;m assuming it&#39=
;s the design file for all<br>

&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; wood<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; parts):<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;=
 <a href=3D"http://makeyourbot.wdfiles.com/local--files/mantis9-1/mantis9.1=
.dxf" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"http://makeyourbot.wdfiles.com/local--fi=
les/mantis9-1/mantis9.1.dxf">http://makeyourbot.wdfiles.com/local--files/ma=
ntis9-1/mantis9.1.dxf</a></a><br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; video series on how to build it: <a href=3D"http://makey=
ourbot.org/mantis9-build" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"http://makeyourbot.o=
rg/mantis9-build">http://makeyourbot.org/mantis9-build</a></a><br>&gt; &gt;=
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Tom<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>

&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Jean-Marc LeBlanc<br>&g=
t; &gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com">jeanmarc.leblanc@=
gmail.com</a></a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>

&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; yeah I think that is more what I would do.<br>&gt; &=
gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; does he have a right up on how he made it? =A0the little m=
otor is it a<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; drill motor or one that you find in =
RC cars?<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Jean-Marc Le Blanc<br>&gt;=
 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; ---<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; =
&quot;Do you pine for the nice days of Minix-1.1, when men were men and<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote their own device drivers?&quot; Linus Torvalds=
<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&=
gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Tue, Nov 9, 2010=
 at 10:18 AM, Tom Burns &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom.i.burns at gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:tom.i.burns at gmail.com">tom.i.burns at gmail.com<=
/a></a>&gt;<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; No idea.=A0 Yo=
u&#39;d have to ask the creators.=A0 You could always etch the<br>&gt; &gt;=
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; boards<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; with a resist-ink =
method and drill the holes with the bot afterwards,<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; but<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; you&#39;d ob=
viously have to take care to align it properly.=A0 Maybe drill<br>&gt; &gt;=
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; the<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; holes first then line=
 up the transfer with the holes?<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; For &lt;$100 I d=
on&#39;t expect this CNC to do everything but it&#39;s a huge<br>&gt; &gt;&=
gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; step<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; forward from not havi=
ng one at all.<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Tom<br>&gt; &gt;=
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10=
:15 AM, Jean-Marc LeBlanc<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:jeanmar=
c.leblanc at gmail.com">jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com</a></a>&gt; wrote:<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; think th=
at would be precise enough to make traces for surface mount?<br>&gt; &gt;&g=
t; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Jean-Marc Le Blanc<=
br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; ---<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&=
gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;Do you pine for the nice days of Minix=
-1.1, when men were men and<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote their =
own device drivers?&quot; Linus Torvalds<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; =
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&=
gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Tom Burns &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:tom.i.burns at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:tom.=
i.burns at gmail.com">tom.i.burns at gmail.com</a></a>&gt;<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &=
gt; Yup!<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://www.yout=
ube.com/watch?v=3DnlDpZl-QIAA&amp;feature=3Dplayer_embedded" target=3D"_bla=
nk"><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnlDpZl-QIAA&amp;feature=3Dp=
layer_embedded">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnlDpZl-QIAA&amp;feature=3D=
player_embedded</a></a><br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt=
; Tom<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt=
;&gt; &gt; On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Jean-Marc LeBlanc<br>&gt; &gt;&=
gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:jeanmarc.leblanc at gmail.com">jeanmarc.=
leblanc at gmail.com</a></a>&gt; wrote:<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;=
 &gt;&gt; Does this actualy make the traces too?<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; =
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Jean-Marc Le =
Blanc<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; ---<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;=
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;Do you pine=
 for the nice days of Minix-1.1, when men were men<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt=
; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote their own device drivers?&qu=
ot; Linus Torvalds<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;=
<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;=
 &gt;&gt; On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Tom Burns &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:t=
om.i.burns at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:tom.i.burns at gmail=
.com">tom.i.burns at gmail.com</a></a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; PCB fabrication is why I&#39;=
m gathering people interested in<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt=
; &gt; building<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; a<br>

&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; very<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; small, cheap CNC.=A0 For unde=
r $100 you can get all the parts to<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;=
&gt; &gt; build<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; it.<br>

&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Read more here:<br>&gt; &gt;&=
gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;=
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://makeyourbot.org/mantis9-1" target=3D"_blank"><a=
 href=3D"http://makeyourbot.org/mantis9-1">http://makeyourbot.org/mantis9-1=
</a></a><br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt=
;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Currently the plan is to begin ordering parts as of Jan=
uary.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; If<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; =
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; you<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; want to<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;=
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; buy the parts let me know and I&#39;ll contact =
you when we&#39;re ready<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; t=
o<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; place<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&g=
t; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; an<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &g=
t; order.=A0 Many of the parts in the BOM only have McMaster<br>&gt; &gt;&g=
t; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; references<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; so<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; =
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; the<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;=
 current plan is to ship them to NY and pick them up at the UPS<br>&gt; &gt=
;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; store<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; (as<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;=
 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; mentioned on list previously).<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt=
;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &g=
t; Cheers,<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Tom<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;=
 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br=
>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &g=
t;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Andrew Plumb &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:andrew at plumb.org" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:andrew at p=
lumb.org">andrew at plumb.org</a></a>&gt;<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&=
gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; =
&gt;&gt; It can be done (see <a href=3D"http://wiki.makerbot.com/makerbot-m=
ill" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"http://wiki.makerbot.com/makerbot-mill">h=
ttp://wiki.makerbot.com/makerbot-mill</a></a>),<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; but<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;=
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you&#39;ll<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&g=
t; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; need to use some sort of sacrificial layer and a solid=
 steel<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; plate<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &g=
t;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; underneath so you don&#39;t destroy the X=
Y platform.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &g=
t;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Andrew.<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;=
 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On 2010-11-09, at 9:19 AM, Jean-Marc LeBlanc wr=
ote:<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; =
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Hey guys,<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I am getting annoyed=
 with drilling my holes in my pcb boards<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;=
 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; and<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt=
;&gt; &gt; and<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; tining them. I was w=
ondering if some one knew if this could<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; =
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; be<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&=
gt; &gt; done<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; with the maker bot? =
=A0If the maker bot follows standard CNC<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;=
 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; commands<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt=
; &gt;&gt; &gt; this would not be too hard I suppose to program. =A0I think=
 It<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; was<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;=
 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Andrew who said he put a dremel h=
ead on his maker bot. =A0As<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt=
;&gt; &gt; for<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; tining,<br>&gt; &gt;=
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; maybe put a hot plate on the =
base and melt some tin on the<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &=
gt;&gt; &gt; base?<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =A0the<br>&gt; &gt;&=
gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; tining is not too important th=
ought. I don&#39;t usually do that<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&=
gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; step<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; since its long and I=
 don&#39;t find it worth it. =A0Maybe an<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;=
 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; alternative?<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt=
;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Jean-Marc Le Blanc<b=
r>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; ---<br>&gt; &gt;&g=
t; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&=
gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Do you pine for the nice days of Minix-1.1=
, when men were<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; men<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;=
 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; and<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt=
;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; wrote their own device drivers?&quot; Linus To=
rvalds<br>


&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt=
;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; _____________________________________=
__________<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Lab ma=
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