[Lab] Next ModLab gathering next week? (Wed. Nov. 17th)

Michael Lechasseur mlecha at artengine.ca
Wed Nov 17 10:45:36 EST 2010

Hi Darcy,

These are points well taken. I maintain the Artengine website under Ryan 
and Moonsun's direction, and take responsibility for the current sad 
state of confusing affairs.

Why don't I talk to Ryan to assess how we best approach correcting it, 
or perhaps involve those who are interested from ModLab?

At the moment there appears to be some lack of definition as to 
"ownership" of the group. ie: is this Artengine's ModLab, or does 
Artengine offer supporting services to the Ottawa Hacker Society?

For instance, the Ottawa Drupal group that I'm apart of now meets in the 
same lab space, but is not belong/directed/managed by Artengine. We have 
our own web infrastructure.

Months back ModLab members requested that a MediaWiki be setup on 
Artengine's server for Modlab use. This work was completed by Artengine 
and offered to the ModLab community on this list. However the offer 
wasn't take up, and the MediaWiki sits idle waiting for ModLab 

I'd suggest that we

1. attempt to have the OHS wiki 
https://ohs.engsoc.org/wiki/HackerspaceMeetings shut down (or possibly 
redirected to ModLab's current wiki)

2. redirect the ModLab links in the navigation and page 
http://www.artengine.ca/news/2010/modlab-en.php on Artengine's site 
directly to the MediaWiki

3. have a volunteer edit the MediaWiki site with current info on meeting 
dates and add a link to the mailing list (and archives)

I can perform #3 now, but I think there should be someone from the group 
keeping it current, or someone in charge feeding me content.

Or, if we look at it again in terms of group ownership, if ModLab is now 
Artengine's group, then we'll want to better integrate the group into 
Artengine's main site. However I'd still need someone in charge to 
dictate updates for our web site.

What do you think?


On 17/11/2010 10:13 AM, Darcy Whyte wrote:
> >From word of mouth, I believe it is on.
> I went through the exact same method as you for getting involved with 
> the group.
> It's rather interesting that if you visit the artengine.ca 
> <http://artengine.ca> site and you manage to find ModLab under 
> Community, the page lacks the following:
> 1) No future dates listed
> 2) Location not shown
> 3) Lab Mailing list is mentioned but no link or address for that.
> If you click through on the Ottawa Hacker Society link, you get a page 
> on another site (which links back to the initial page).
> The 2nd page doesn't have the information either.
> You need to click on the ArtEngine link which gives a page (outside 
> the ArtEngine site) that shows the address. This part also shows how 
> to get to ArtEngine. Because it doesn't mention ModLab, it's not clear 
> if it's the right address for ModLab.
> You need to click on Communications to find a link to the mailing 
> list. There's a link on the Communications page called Meetings. That 
> gives a list of old dates.
> So the obvious thing to do is:
> 1) Visit ArtEngine.ca
> 2) Hover all the links until you find ModLab under Community
> 3) Click through to Ottawa Hacker Society (you have to forget that 
> you're looking for modlab for a while)
> 4) Click "group of individuals" to see if it has location, time and 
> date for modlab (or perhaps Ottawa Hacker Society)
> 5) Click Meetings to see if the information is there. It isn't. 
> However there is a convenient link back to step 2.
> 6) Click ArtEngine to see if the information is there. It isn't. There 
> is the address of ArtEngine (at this point, the newcomer isn't sure if 
> this is the same as ModLab or Ottawa Hacker Society).
> 7) Click Communication to see if the information is in there. It 
> isn't. But there is a convenient link to step 5.
> 8) The lower part of the page has a link back to step 2 and a link 
> back to step step 5 (again).
> 9) Click the Projects link to see if the information is there. It 
> isn't. But there is potential to see projects there one day.
> 10) The only unfollowed link is the one mailing list link on the 
> Communication page (we saw that in step 7)
> 11) Follow that link and you are now at a mailman listserv page. If 
> you can figure that out, you can subscribe to the mail list for either 
> ArtEngine, ModLab or Ottawa Hacker Society (at this point the newcomer 
> isn't sure)
> 12) For those who have figured out mailman (or already know it), if 
> they are approved after a waiting period they are now in the list and 
> will receive content.
> 13) They can either reply of a post or (if they know how to use 
> mailman make a direct post) to find out the location, time and date of 
> the next meeting.
> 14) Someone will likely reply.
> If you are still with us, you are now qualified to attend ModLab!
> We use the listserv and word of mouth to schedule/reschedule meetings 
> but I've often wondered what would happen to the group if the 
> location, time and date were listed on the ModLab page in step 2 above.
> :)
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:44 AM, <eric.schmidt at rogers.com 
> <mailto:eric.schmidt at rogers.com>> wrote:
>     Hi Everyone;
>     I was looking forward to attending a ModLab meeting. Are you
>     getting together tonight? If so, where do these meetings take place?
>     thanks,
>     Eric Schmidt
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* "normand at paik.artengine.ca
>     <mailto:normand at paik.artengine.ca>" <normand at paik.artengine.ca
>     <mailto:normand at paik.artengine.ca>>
>     *To:* Andrew Plumb <andrew at plumb.org <mailto:andrew at plumb.org>>
>     *Cc:* lab <lab at artengine.ca <mailto:lab at artengine.ca>>
>     *Sent:* Tue, November 9, 2010 3:35:13 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Lab] Next ModLab gathering next week? (Wed. Nov. 17th)
>     Next week makes sense.  That would be consistent with meeting
>     every second
>     Wednesday.
>     Normand
>     > Hey Everyone,
>     >
>     > Richard mentioned that the OCLUG (Exec) folks were going to be
>     holed up in
>     > M70 tomorrow, and since last week+end was pretty hectic with
>     Electric
>     > Fields and MakerFaire (and TEDxKids for those participating this
>     week),
>     > shall we schedule the next ModLab gathering for next week?
>     >
>     > Wednesday, November 17th @ 7pm?
>     >
>     > Andrew.
>     >
>     >
>     > --
>     >
>     > "The future is already here.  It's just not very evenly
>     distributed" --
>     > William Gibson
>     >
>     > Me: http://clothbot.com/wiki/
>     >
>     >
>     >
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